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    • gabriel1980
    • By gabriel1980 12th Jun 19, 1:04 PM
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    Enforcing the TV License
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    • 12th Jun 19, 1:04 PM
    Enforcing the TV License 12th Jun 19 at 1:04 PM
    I should state that I do have a TV license and I have researched the below question online, but can't find a satisfactory answer.

    I understand that if you watch live TV through BBC iPlayer on a computer/tablet/phone that you have to buy a TV license, which is all well and good.

    What I want to know is how can they possibly enforce that? Are they asking everyone with a computer/tablet/smartphone to buy a TV license on the off-chance that they even access the BBC iPlayer app?

    Obviously I know off the vans which detect your TV signal (not sure if this is a myth or not) and obviously if you own a TV, you're going to need a license.

    But, surely just owning a computer and expecting you to buy a TV license is ludicrous! And, I repeat, how can they possibly enforce it? Come into your house and inspect your internet history?!
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    • parking_question_chap
    • By parking_question_chap 13th Jun 19, 3:32 PM
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    I dont know if this is how they do it but i assumed they just cross check IP addresses with service providers to get physical addresses and then cross check that with their database of properties that have paid for a licence.

    And no they dont expect everyone with a device capable of accessing online content to have a licence. They expect anyone who uses their licence services to have one.
    Originally posted by spadoosh


    Providers would not release such information without a court order. Its private information and they have no obligation towards the BBC.

    However on a totally different subject, if for any reason you want to hide your IP. Just download the Opera internet browser and enable the VPN.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 13th Jun 19, 5:00 PM
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    Providers would not release such information without a court order. Its private information and they have no obligation towards the BBC.

    However on a totally different subject, if for any reason you want to hide your IP. Just download the Opera internet browser and enable the VPN.
    Originally posted by parking_question_chap
    You can't normally watch iPlayer if you are using a VPN. It did work until about a year ago. Annoying, as I used to watch BBC news via a VPN when on holiday. Thinking about it, that's probably when I switched to Sky, and realised how much better it is.
    • wild666
    • By wild666 14th Jun 19, 9:48 AM
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    The only detection of any kind of receiving equipment their vans could detect is the use of the monitor. When I was a British Gas customer their bill did a breakdown of the appliances used, Lights, cookers, fridge/freezer and TV monitors.
    The reading for monitors was about 6 on that bill only I hadn't had the TV on for over 13 months so their TELEVISION use was for my PC MONITOR. That's why they only use the vans as a deterrent because it could pick up a PC monitor and they could say it was your TV. Personally I use the TV for the radio, DVD's and PS4 as well as some Netflix and Prime content.
    That is why they will never use the vans to try and detect a TV because all they do is detect a monitor is in use which might or might not be a TV set!
    Someone please tell me what money is
    • Mr_Singleton
    • By Mr_Singleton 15th Jun 19, 4:19 PM
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    my mum (over 75) is soon going to have to start paying and she doesn't have much disposable income. She does use iPlayer a lot.
    Originally posted by gabriel1980
    Dump the internet connection and spend the money on a tv license...... simple really.
    • wild666
    • By wild666 15th Jun 19, 4:23 PM
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    They require you to sign up for iplayer with postcode, so I assume some data base checks it off.

    .How they would know if the post code you supplied was your real one & not, for instance, local chip shop I've no idea
    Originally posted by Farway
    I've moved 5 times and still haven't updated my address it's still sheltered housing with a 7.50 yearly charge and I haven't lived there for 12 years. Then I sometimes use a VPN and watch iplayer. they conned me with the quarterly refund so I am hitting back.
    Someone please tell me what money is
    • Mr_Singleton
    • By Mr_Singleton 15th Jun 19, 4:25 PM
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    There HAS to be a better way of funding the BBC, rather than the current King Canute approach of the Govt./BBC.
    Originally posted by brewerdave
    Of course there is but at the moment the Govt. can "control" the BBC and the BBC is absolutely terrified of a subscription model where people have a choice because it would threaten it's guaranteed 4500 million a year Jacuzzi of cash.
    • Uxb1
    • By Uxb1 21st Jun 19, 5:56 PM
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    We hear a lot about other countries having TV Licences, but apart from Ireland (where An Post enforcers are extremely unpopular), you rarely hear anything about how enforcement actually works in practice.
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    In Germany as I've said before it works that every household has to have a license even if they have no TV: - its just another tax.
    In essence the debts from non payment builds up with penalties from non payments added on.
    Eventually it will get to the point where the money owing is at a level where debt collectors are legally allowed to merely take it direct from your bank account instead. Being efficient Germany (your papers please) of course all this info is available to the authorities.
    Whether they do actually carry out the law and compulsory deduct it from bank accounts as just another debt owing I've no idea.

    Frankly I'd rather we keep the current chaotic system. I'd rather not it be lumped into council tax as a compulsory 100% German like universal tax.
    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 21st Jun 19, 6:00 PM
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    As more and more people install VPN apps on their devices, it'll be nigh on impossible to tie an IP address to a physical address.
    Originally posted by brewerdave
    My devices show as being based in Stockholm.
    "Only two things are infinite-the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the universe"
    Albert Einstein
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