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    • MSE Naomi
    • By MSE Naomi 10th Jun 19, 1:58 PM
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    Free TV licences to be scrapped for millions of over-75s - MSE News
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    • 10th Jun 19, 1:58 PM
    Free TV licences to be scrapped for millions of over-75s - MSE News 10th Jun 19 at 1:58 PM
    Free TV licences will only be available for over-75s who receive pension credit from next June, the BBC has announced today...
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    'Free TV licences to be scrapped for millions of over-75s'

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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jun 19, 9:50 AM
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    The BBC approached the Govt to include the iPlayer in the TV licence.
    Originally posted by VisionMan
    And an increase (so far 2 increases) in the LF.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jun 19, 9:53 AM
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    All you need to do is tick the box on the TV-license website stating that "you only use your TV for listening to the radio"
    Originally posted by Autumn86
    You don't need to do anything of the sort.

    You can (as I have done for the last 9 years and counting) simply ignore them.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • roddydogs
    • By roddydogs 13th Jun 19, 9:55 AM
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    So there we have it, no one of any age needs to buy a licence, just follow Bob.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jun 19, 9:57 AM
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    Until then let's hope this reaches 100,000 votes to be debated.
    Originally posted by JonahJ
    It's already well past that. Currently at 131,388 signatures.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jun 19, 9:59 AM
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    Put simply, it is illegal to watch or record live TV or watching BBC iPlayer without a TV licence.
    Originally posted by pphillips
    More precisely, without being covered by a TV Licence.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jun 19, 10:14 AM
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    So there we have it, no one of any age needs to buy a licence, just follow Bob.
    Originally posted by roddydogs
    You are correct. Nobody needs to buy a licence.

    They can simply stop watching live TV and/or BBC Iplayer, and legally stop paying.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • archess200
    • By archess200 13th Jun 19, 4:57 PM
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    TV license costs
    It seems bizarre that the BBC are withdrawing the free TV license for the over-75's. It costs around £6 per month to subscribe to netflix, sky or others, that is half the cost of the BBC license. The quality of the BBC programmes, for my taste and I am not over 75, has plummetted. [They are still showing Dad's Army after 60 years, and still very very popular with all ages, in fact it is a cult with younger viewers, so I understand]. If they can't improve on that, or even come up to that standard, there is something wrong with modern producers/directors, programmers. Acting quality has plummeted: they seem incapable of not over-acting or overdramatising.
    Anyway, given that you can listen to the radio without a license, that the journalism on BBC has been reduced to haranguing, barracking, agressive techniques, bigotry and lack of intelligent debate, I no longer watch their political programmes since Andrew Marr's biased views only let representatives of the Labour contingent answer questions without interrupting and Andrew Neil is no longer presenting This Week. They keep switching the timing of Gardener's World around to suit other programmes, their coverage of Chelsea is not to view the plants but to view celebrities trying to find something to say: that's of no interest to me.
    So, what is there in BBC that myself, as an older viewer, want to watch? Certainly not Killing Eve, Game of Thrones or cooking progs. Not even Mastermind, since Humphries stumbles through it, trying to relate to the contestants and failing. I know there is Dad's Army, but I would like something alternative and more intelligent that BBC think I want.

    Is there any reason to buy a tv license? Have they shot themselves in the foot and the over 75's will change to subscription?
    Sorry for the rant, but I have yet to discover an intelligent customer-relating BBC voice who knows what I want and has a bit of common sense.
    To resolve the cost of the free license fee issue, why not reduce the huge fees paid to John Humphries and the other 'celebs', get rid of a heap of the journalists - far too many, get rid of the presenters that only read the auto-cue badly - far too many, and reduce salaries down to that earned by the PM. That would pay for the license fee subsidy.
    They could even offer a reduce fee to match the subscriptions available as above, elsewhere or down to the cost of Black and White. Anybody want to join the debate?
    • Neil Jones
    • By Neil Jones 13th Jun 19, 7:14 PM
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    The licence for 75+ is not being withdrawn completely.

    Its horses for courses, what I really like you may loathe and what I really loathe you might love to pieces. Hopefully there is something for both of us. Wage reductions are only a drop in the ocean compared to the savings figure needed, something like £700m.

    In all honesty I can't see masses of individuals aged 75 and over moving to Netflix, when a large number of them will not even have an internet connection. The digital switchover was for a lot of people heavily confusing on its own and that was just to get "free" TV back.
    • elsien
    • By elsien 13th Jun 19, 7:20 PM
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    Parent is 80. She loved Killing Eve.
    And MotherFatherSon which I found unwatchable.
    (Game of Thrones is nothing to do with the BBC btw.)

    It really is each to their own and I don't think they do a bad job of covering the various demographics, given their public broadcaster remit.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • Colin_Maybe
    • By Colin_Maybe 13th Jun 19, 7:25 PM
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    It seems bizarre that the BBC are withdrawing the free TV license for the over-75's. It costs around £6 per month to subscribe to netflix, sky or others, that is half the cost of the BBC license. The quality of the BBC programmes, for my taste and I am not over 75, has plummetted. [They are still showing Dad's Army after 60 years, and still very very popular with all ages, in fact it is a cult with younger viewers, so I understand]. If they can't improve on that, or even come up to that standard, there is something wrong with modern producers/directors, programmers. Acting quality has plummeted: they seem incapable of not over-acting or overdramatising.
    Anyway, given that you can listen to the radio without a license, that the journalism on BBC has been reduced to haranguing, barracking, agressive techniques, bigotry and lack of intelligent debate, I no longer watch their political programmes since Andrew Marr's biased views only let representatives of the Labour contingent answer questions without interrupting and Andrew Neil is no longer presenting This Week. They keep switching the timing of Gardener's World around to suit other programmes, their coverage of Chelsea is not to view the plants but to view celebrities trying to find something to say: that's of no interest to me.
    So, what is there in BBC that myself, as an older viewer, want to watch? Certainly not Killing Eve, Game of Thrones or cooking progs. Not even Mastermind, since Humphries stumbles through it, trying to relate to the contestants and failing. I know there is Dad's Army, but I would like something alternative and more intelligent that BBC think I want.

    Is there any reason to buy a tv license? Have they shot themselves in the foot and the over 75's will change to subscription?
    Sorry for the rant, but I have yet to discover an intelligent customer-relating BBC voice who knows what I want and has a bit of common sense.
    To resolve the cost of the free license fee issue, why not reduce the huge fees paid to John Humphries and the other 'celebs', get rid of a heap of the journalists - far too many, get rid of the presenters that only read the auto-cue badly - far too many, and reduce salaries down to that earned by the PM. That would pay for the license fee subsidy.
    They could even offer a reduce fee to match the subscriptions available as above, elsewhere or down to the cost of Black and White. Anybody want to join the debate?
    Originally posted by archess200
    Anybody want to join the debate?
    What debate? And why do you seem to think the license fee is for people who watch BBC only? It's to license you for all live TV.

    GoT is a Sky Atlantic programme although you still need a license (and Sky or NowTV sub).

    They're changed it so that over 75's on pension credit can still get it BTW, not scrapped it entirely.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 13th Jun 19, 7:33 PM
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    Cornucopia
    Threads merged.
    I'm a Board Guide on the Phones & TV, Techie Stuff, In My Home,
    The Money Savers Arms and Food Shopping boards. I'm a volunteer to help the boards run smoothly, and I can move and merge threads there. Any views (especially those on the UK TV Licence) are mine and not the official line of moneysavingexpert.com.

    Board guides are not moderators. If you spot an inappropriate or illegal post then please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com
    • wild666
    • By wild666 14th Jun 19, 9:21 AM
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    The BBC should have scrambled their channels at the end of 2012, when the whole of the UK became digital. Then we would truly see how many subscribers they had , their Britbox subscription offering, when released, will see how many subscribe to that knowing that they could put every politically incorrect content on there for those who want to watch it, but I suspect they won't.

    It shouldn't be over 75's that get a free licence it should be all pensioners on only the state pension. The government could say that if the BBC are only giving a free Licence to those receiving pension credit then the iplayer app goes free to all, see how they like that?

    TAKE THE FREE LICENCE AWAY AND IPLAYER BECOMES FREE FOR ALL
    Someone please tell me what money is
    • Doc N
    • By Doc N 14th Jun 19, 9:51 AM
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    The annual salary for the BBC's Director-General is "£450,000".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director-General_of_the_BBC
    Originally posted by Section106

    £450,000 seems almost trivial by comparison with the Nationwide Building Society:

    £2.317 million for the CEO and yet another £4.26 million shared by three more directors.

    How in heaven's name can that be justified for a building society owned by its members, albeit a large one?
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 14th Jun 19, 4:46 PM
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    £450,000 seems almost trivial by comparison with the Nationwide Building Society:
    Originally posted by Doc N
    You can stop paying Nationwide, and to move to a different Building Society, if you don't like the way they operate, but you can't stop paying the BBC, and move to a different broadcaster.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • Doc N
    • By Doc N 14th Jun 19, 5:07 PM
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    You can stop paying Nationwide, and to move to a different Building Society, if you don't like the way they operate, but you can't stop paying the BBC, and move to a different broadcaster.
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    Yes you can. Itís perfectly straightforward.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 14th Jun 19, 7:48 PM
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    Yes you can. Itís perfectly straightforward.
    Originally posted by Doc N
    Please enlighten us.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • Doc N
    • By Doc N 14th Jun 19, 9:36 PM
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    Doc N
    Please enlighten us.
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/tv-licence/
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 15th Jun 19, 9:19 AM
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    Which bit are you referring to there?
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • Mr_Singleton
    • By Mr_Singleton 15th Jun 19, 1:33 PM
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    Wow.... all this froth over some millionaire pensioners having to pay £150/year for a service they overwhelmingly use. To put it more succinctly.....

    "75 year old Mick Jagged is entitled to a free TV licence because...."

    Not expecting many if any replies which says it all.
    Last edited by Mr_Singleton; 15-06-2019 at 2:54 PM.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 15th Jun 19, 6:55 PM
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    It's not just "millionaire pensioners" who will have to pay.

    It's any person over 75, who isn't eligible for Pension Credit, and you don't need to be anywhere near a millionaire, to be ineligible.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
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