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    • fonnyj
    • By fonnyj 17th May 19, 2:36 PM
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    County Court - Britannia - ANPR - Free 2 Hrs
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    • 17th May 19, 2:36 PM
    County Court - Britannia - ANPR - Free 2 Hrs 17th May 19 at 2:36 PM
    Hi Guys,

    Just following the Newbie guide, i have received a claim form from Britannia for 220 including all the extras totalling 386.71 (with court fee 35 Legal reps costs 50 Contractual costs 60 and interest 21.71) regarding multiple PCNs between dates in 2017 and 2018.

    The Claim issue date was the 13th May - I have sent the AOS today, as well as a SAR to Britannia, and an email to BW Legal letting them know (As per the guide)

    I have also emailed the branch manager at Waitrose, who back in 2017 overturned a ticket that was wrongly issued. Im not sure on the details of all the tickets, whether they are including the previously overturned ones, or if they were from after that date? I have recieved letters from Britannia / BW Legal, but ultimately ignore them.

    The car park is a Waitrose store car park offering 2 hours free parking, there is no ticket machines at all or any stipulations such as retrieving a receipt etc.They used to have attendants patrolling, but in recent times they have adopted the ANPR system.

    As usual there is poor signage etc.

    Not really sure on how to defend currently without seeing all the SAR details. It is a very local store from both home and work, so it is used frequently. for the maximum of 2 hours if not sometimes nipping in and out.

    Any advice surrounding the whole ANPR - no ticket required, free parking for 2 hours situation as i couldn't seem to find something similar?

    Kind regards
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 17th May 19, 2:41 PM
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    • 17th May 19, 2:41 PM
    Read the following thread. Your can learn how to bat off their advances and work to get them to capitulate.

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5999048

    BRITANNIA or NCP or PREMIER PARKING or TPS / BW LEGAL CASES

    As you will see from the first few pages of the forum, there is an onslaught by BWL on behalf of Britannia, NCP, Premier Parking or TPS (and a few other hitherto court-shy PPCs) which is being conducted on an industrial scale - roboclaims.

    You are caught in a one-way traffic flow where you must fight or pay - there is no longer a safe 'do nothing' option.

    1. Pay now, it costs you exactly what they are currently demanding.
    2. Ignore it, a 'judgment in default' will inevitably follow for at least what they want - maybe with even more costs added; continue to ignore that, you're getting a CCJ with credit crushing consequences for 6 years.
    3. Defend, yet lose in court, the cost award is likely to be noticeably less than their current demand ~175.
    4. Defend, and win in court, you owe them nothing and you could claim up to 95 for half a day's pay/loss of annual leave, plus travel costs @45p per mile, plus your parking cost for the day.

    Your least costly option has to be 3, with hopefully a win as per 4.

    But BWL/and the PPC cannot physically take everyone to court, and there is evidence to show that with a well constructed defence, BWL can come along with a reduced 'offer to settle', which if refused, becomes a discontinuation. We can't give you guarantees on that, but as you have little choice other than to defend (if you don't want to pay), you need to give this your very best shot.

    Whether you have a good defendable case to argue, you will need to read other similar cases at the defence (or beyond) stage and learn from those.

    This next thread is an important one in relation to Britannia (only). Britannia are issuing claims under the name of a different legal entity to the one issuing the PCN - and this can be extremely useful in any defence preparation.

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5915842

    ROBOCLAIMS - HOW BWL OPERATE

    You might find it useful to understand how BWL operate - as I have surmised from the hundreds of different threads I've read involving BWL.

    Other than the auto acknowledgements and template letters, you will get nothing sensible from BWL - they are dealing with literally hundreds of thousands of unpaid parking charges and are spewing out various threatening letters, using a conveyor belt approach to go through a computer controlled process towards a LBC, and a MCOL Claim - and it is really only at the final stages, as a court hearing becomes a possibility, that there's any real human intervention.

    You need to understand that you're not dealing with an old fashioned firm of solicitors, just progressing from a quill and ink operation, BWL are industrial harvesters of debt, using the equivalent of massive farming machinery to do their work. This is what their website tells you:
    A multi-award winning law firm specialising in volume collections, across both regulated and unregulated sectors, who are dual regulated through the FCA and SRA.

    We employ around 265 people at our Leeds based office which in turn makes us the largest privately owned debt collection law firm in the UK.
    Of that number, BWL employ only 6 qualified solicitors.

    http://solicitors.lawsociety.org.uk/organisation/people/532848/bw-legal-services-ltd?Solicitors=True
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
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    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 17th May 19, 2:47 PM
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    • 17th May 19, 2:47 PM
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    • 17th May 19, 2:47 PM
    I have received a claim form from Britannia...

    The Claim issue date was the 13th May - I have sent the AOS today...
    Originally posted by fonnyj
    With a Claim Issue Date of 13th May, and having done the Acknowledgement of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 17th June 2019 to file your Defence.

    That's a whole month away. Loads of time to produce a perfect Defence, but don't leave it to the last minute.


    When you are happy with the content, your Defence should be filed via email as suggested here:
    1. Print your Defence.
    2. Sign it and date it.
    3. Scan the signed document back in and save it as a pdf.
    4. Send that pdf as an email attachment to CCBCAQ@Justice.gov.uk
    5. Just put the claim number and the word Defence in the email title, and in the body of the email something like 'Please find my Defence attached'.
    6. Log into MCOL after a few days to see if the Claim is marked "defence received". If not chase the CCBC until it is.
    7. Do not be surprised to receive an early copy of the Claimant's Directions Questionnaire, they are just trying to keep you under pressure.
    8. Wait for your DQ from the CCBC, or download one from the internet, and then re-read post #2 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread to find out exactly what to do with it.
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 17th May 19, 2:48 PM
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    • 17th May 19, 2:48 PM
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    • 17th May 19, 2:48 PM
    Here’s a recent thread where multiple tickets had been issued at a Waitrose store and where pressure applied to Waitrose by the individual saw all tickets cancelled. You can get many clues from it in terms of your complaints to Waitrose.

    So in parallel with dealing with the claim, get your hooks into Waitrose too, and hopefully get the whole shooting match killed off.

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5985916&highlight=waitrose+multip le
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day;
    show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
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