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    • AntoineFR
    • By AntoineFR 17th May 19, 10:47 AM
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    Landlords is removing items before we move in
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    • 17th May 19, 10:47 AM
    Landlords is removing items before we move in 17th May 19 at 10:47 AM
    Hello,

    A few weeks ago we found a flat that was advertised through an estate agent. During the viewing we asked if all the furnishings and the TV would stay and the agent said yes.
    After signing the tenancy agreement, we had another viewing to check what we would need as furnitures and again the agent told us everything would stay.

    A few days before moving in, the agent then informed us that they received an email from the landlord and that he's going to remove the TV, the garden furniture, 2 lamps and a rug.
    We argued to the agency that we were told everything would stay but the landlord won't budge and the agency say they cannot do anything. They offered 100 as compensation but this is far from enough to replace what has been removed.

    Has anyone been in this situation? Do you know what we can do?
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    • BurnCK
    • By BurnCK 17th May 19, 11:00 AM
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    • 17th May 19, 11:00 AM
    I would suspect it depends what's stated in your tenancy agreement. If it's not in the tenancy agreement / inventory checklist, then you probably can't do anything about it. If it is, then I would guess the LL is in breach of contract.
    • BoGoF
    • By BoGoF 17th May 19, 11:11 AM
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    • 17th May 19, 11:11 AM
    If this is what he is like already then I'd be looking at ways to remove myself from this contract which, as mentioned above, may already have been breached.
    • need an answer
    • By need an answer 17th May 19, 11:41 AM
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    • 17th May 19, 11:41 AM
    I have read previously that if the LL supplies the TV then they could also be liable for payment of the TV licence unless it is very clearly defined in the tenancy agreement.I suspect the LL has removed the TV for that reason.

    With regard to the garden furniture,you're hardly going to use that everyday and TBH I would have though if you want some chairs to sit on if the weather is nice then something from IKEA would be very easy to pick up,plus you don't then have the problem about needing to return everything in good order at the end of the tenancy.


    Accept the 100 I think its quite a generous offer considering that you can then go and do with it what you wish...a rug and a couple of lamps again should be fairly easy to pick up reasonably cheaply and when you leave you can take them with you.


    As a LL I always try not to leave too many things in the properties I rent simply because tenants don't want my choice of things and a lot of soft furnishings are reasonably cheap and as a tenant you get to choose how the property is furnished.

    The couple of student houses that my offspring has rented in the last 3 years have all been full of mismatched tatt which quite frankly became more of a chore to keep it functioning during the tenancies.
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    • lookstraightahead
    • By lookstraightahead 17th May 19, 11:50 AM
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    If it's in the agreement then yes they should stay. Why should you go and buy stuff when the landlord could do exactly the same.
    • lookstraightahead
    • By lookstraightahead 17th May 19, 11:51 AM
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    • 17th May 19, 11:51 AM
    Op - check it's on the inventory.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 17th May 19, 11:58 AM
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    • 17th May 19, 11:58 AM
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    • 17th May 19, 11:58 AM
    Ultimately, the only list of furnishings that matters is what's on the inventory when you move in. That's what needs to be there when you move out.

    A hundred quid should be more than enough to replace a used TV, used garden furniture, a pair of used lamps and a used rug. And you'd then get to keep those and take them with you when you move again!
    • davidmcn
    • By davidmcn 17th May 19, 12:07 PM
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    I have read previously that if the LL supplies the TV then they could also be liable for payment of the TV licence unless it is very clearly defined in the tenancy agreement.
    Originally posted by need an answer
    Where did you read that? If TV Licensing don't think they've got the right to pursue the landlord then it seems unlikely to be accurate advice:

    https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ47


    Ah - interestingly they provide contradictory advice on another page:


    https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/business-and-organisations/residential-landlords-aud15
    • need an answer
    • By need an answer 17th May 19, 12:54 PM
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    Where did you read that? If TV Licensing don't think they've got the right to pursue the landlord then it seems unlikely to be accurate advice:

    https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ47


    Ah - interestingly they provide contradictory advice on another page:


    https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/business-and-organisations/residential-landlords-aud15
    Originally posted by davidmcn
    yep your second link.....hence I can see that potentially the LL might want to remove the TV prior to the rental start.
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    • davidmcn
    • By davidmcn 17th May 19, 3:56 PM
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    yep your second link.....hence I can see that potentially the LL might want to remove the TV prior to the rental start.
    Originally posted by need an answer
    Rather easier just to stick a clause in the tenancy agreement about it though? Rather than pee off the tenant by showing them a nice telly and then whisking it away before they move in.
    • need an answer
    • By need an answer 17th May 19, 5:47 PM
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    Rather easier just to stick a clause in the tenancy agreement about it though? Rather than pee off the tenant by showing them a nice telly and then whisking it away before they move in.
    Originally posted by davidmcn
    which is what I suggested in my original post
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    • G_M
    • By G_M 17th May 19, 6:07 PM
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    You've signed the tenancy agreement, but don't mention the inventory.

    I'm guessing you've not seen/signed that yet? If you have, then that's what the LL must provide: no more no less.

    But if the inventory is pending, I think you have a case for relying on the viewing, and the agent's comments, to claim the property is not as described. Withdraw. Request full refund of whatever you've paid so far, and find somewhere else.

    Alternatively, take the 100 (or push for 150?) and buy a 2nd hand TV and other bits and bobs.
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