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    • tfc12345
    • By tfc12345 16th May 19, 6:19 PM
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    Parking Fine and Claims Forms
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    • 16th May 19, 6:19 PM
    Parking Fine and Claims Forms 16th May 19 at 6:19 PM
    As requested have started a new thread... If there is information in the NEWBIE thread that would help, happy to directed to it and apologies in advance

    I have received multiple letters from *gl@dstones regarding alleged fines at the residential unit (not within an assigned parking space)

    The signage is particularly poor and impossible to read at night



    1/ One County claim form has been received - and whilst I feel confident a defence would succeed for professional and personal reasons am keen to avoid attending court

    2/ Have come to Understand letters may be being sent to addresses not even remotely associated with the vehicle - this is very concerning and surely a breach of data regulations/GDPR? And causing significant distress to those receiving the letters

    3/ I am tempted, whilst reserving rights to data protection, with no admission of liability or acknowledgment of contract or to the identity of the driver to offer a reduced settlement for them to leave us alone - the solicitors firm has even suggested making a settlement offer ( possibly a sign of desperation)

    4/ The prioroty for me is to be left alone to adjust to a family loss and continue a busy professional schedule.... The thread adivses to Not contact the solicitors firm by email, but to offer a settlement this may be necessary given the time periods... Could this not be posible but to then inisist that they communicate in back in writing and to not use this method to communicate in the future?

    There is no signage on entrance to the devleopment ether which I feel should help


    Any advice help appreciated


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    • waamo
    • By waamo 16th May 19, 6:22 PM
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    • 16th May 19, 6:22 PM
    Send a SAR to see why they are sending letters to a random address. I would also tell them to stop doing it.

    As for negotiation. This is a ppc. It's pay it all or pay nothing. That has to be your call to decide.

    Which ppc is this? Some give up more easily that others. Nothing is guaranteed though.
    This space for hire.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 16th May 19, 6:23 PM
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    • 16th May 19, 6:23 PM
    One County claim form has been received...
    Originally posted by Ljt123
    What is the Issue Date on your Claim Form?

    Did it come from the County Court Business Centre in Northampton, or from somewhere else?
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 16th May 19, 7:28 PM
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    I am tempted, whilst reserving rights to data protection, with no admission of liability or acknowledgment of contract or to the identity of the driver to offer a reduced settlement for them to leave us alone
    No chance (sorry).

    If that was an option with these scams, the NEWBIES thread would list it.

    Do as you set out in your #4:
    inisist that they communicate in back in writing and to not use this method to communicate in the future?
    You need to search the forum for data rectification notice, and do that by email to the same DPO address you send the SAR to.
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    • tfc12345
    • By tfc12345 16th May 19, 10:24 PM
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    • 16th May 19, 10:24 PM
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    • 16th May 19, 10:24 PM
    @ Keith P Thank you for the reply - it came from the county court business centre in Northampton - the issue date is May 7th
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 16th May 19, 10:33 PM
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    • 16th May 19, 10:33 PM
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    • 16th May 19, 10:33 PM
    @ Keith P Thank you for the reply - it came from the county court business centre in Northampton - the issue date is May 7th
    Originally posted by Ljt123
    With a Claim Issue Date of 7th May, you have until Tuesday 28th May to do the Acknowledgement of Service, but there is nothing to be gained by delaying it. To do the AoS, follow the guidance offered in a Dropbox file linked from post #2 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread. About ten minutes work - no thinking required.

    Having done the AoS, you have until 4pm on Monday 10th June 2019 to file your Defence.

    That's over three weeks away. Loads of time to produce a perfect Defence, but don't leave it to the last minute.


    When you are happy with the content, your Defence should be filed via email as suggested here:
    1. Print your Defence.
    2. Sign it and date it.
    3. Scan the signed document back in and save it as a pdf.
    4. Send that pdf as an email attachment to CCBCAQ@Justice.gov.uk
    5. Just put the claim number and the word Defence in the email title, and in the body of the email something like 'Please find my Defence attached'.
    6. Log into MCOL after a few days to see if the Claim is marked "defence received". If not chase the CCBC until it is.
    7. Do not be surprised to receive an early copy of the Claimant's Directions Questionnaire, they are just trying to keep you under pressure.
    8. Wait for your DQ from the CCBC, or download one from the internet, and then re-read post #2 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread to find out exactly what to do with it.
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    • tfc12345
    • By tfc12345 16th May 19, 10:50 PM
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    • 16th May 19, 10:50 PM
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    • 16th May 19, 10:50 PM
    Thank you for the reply -

    Apologies but to clarify - despite offering the option of a settlement figure (in this case a significant amount) they would never accept it? In this case it would be around 300, wouldnt it be worth them avoiding court and potentially being unsuccessful?

    Or is it that they would not accept the refusal of liability for a settlement?

    Will continue to do as set out in 4 - Thank you
    Last edited by tfc12345; 16-05-2019 at 11:05 PM.
    • tfc12345
    • By tfc12345 16th May 19, 11:00 PM
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    @Waamo Thank you for the reply - it is PCM** o- not sure how they are compared to others

    understood re: ppc all or nothing that was also my impression - but why are the solicitors firm offering to offer their client a settlement figure? surely it would be in their interest to accept a say 70% fee for the avoidance of court

    They have also said that the amount on the claim form can be paid in full to avoid progression to court - or offer a 'settlement amount' is it not possible to offer say 70% whilst making the usual SARs, complaining about their conduct, complaining to the estate managers , local MP etc - (and preparing a defence) showing a genuine attempt at settlement if it is then refused?
    Last edited by tfc12345; 16-05-2019 at 11:44 PM.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 17th May 19, 12:19 AM
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    it is PCM** - not sure how they are compared to others
    Outed on Watchdog as rogue traders:

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2015/05/is-it-pcm-uk-who-make-up-stuff-all-time.html

    despite offering the option of a settlement figure (in this case a significant amount) they would never accept it?
    Not in our experience, no.
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    • waamo
    • By waamo 17th May 19, 7:33 AM
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    Who knows what goes on in their heads. Why they won't negotiate is a mystery. One or two have been known to but even then it's not guaranteed.

    In the early days of going to court it was assumed it was just to make a point but now who knows.
    This space for hire.
    • tfc12345
    • By tfc12345 17th May 19, 10:18 AM
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    Any view on %**this particular PPC likelihood of desisting?

    Also I have discussed this issue with estate managment,, there is a big team at concierge, the duty manager is sympathetic and has offered to "get some more information from" PPC
    They have indicated that as they have commissioned this PPC they are not "supposed to get involved" and cannot "cancel tickets" they seem genuinely willing to help and make enquiries with them though is there any way to utilise this please?

    I have complained regarding the practice and discussed raising it with the local MP etc to estate management.

    There is apparently signage at entrance it has a P sign and says 'see signs through the development' however in the dark they are poorly lit and not clearly visible at all - genuinely cannot read at night when tickets were issued - have visited the site and area.

    There is also no info on correspondence or on their website re: mandatory ##grace period, so their should hopefully claim should fall short on this as well.. Should I mention in this in the SAR for all evidence relied upon or just review images and deduce?

    Thank you in advnace
    Last edited by tfc12345; 17-05-2019 at 10:34 AM.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 17th May 19, 11:33 AM
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    Any view on %**this particular PPC likelihood of desisting?
    Zero % likelihood of them taking an offer.

    Maybe 10% chance Glastones will discontinue before the hearing.

    99% chance (because you are here) that you'd win at a hearing v PCM.

    This is what the residents SHOULD have done at the first stench of PCM:

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5997200

    With our help, that person got PCM kicked out before they started. That can also be achieved retrospectively if leaseholders get together, given that none of them agreed for their leases to be varied by onerous terms allowing penalties from a rogue ex clamper firm that has no place near their cars.
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    • tfc12345
    • By tfc12345 17th May 19, 3:03 PM
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    Thank you very much - the thread was very interesting - there is no strict right to park at this development in leaseholds here (the argument would be that their predatory conduct is preventing enjoyment and use of the deveopment?) however, there is 30 minutes allowed in loading bays - and in non-loading bays ( no markings or yellow lines) 'a valid parking session is needed'

    The development is very large so will raise this with the residents association.

    The Privacy Policy on the website is bizarre - claims can retain and use pretty much any data (email addressed, utility bills etc) as this is agreed to if parking on controlled land?
    • tfc12345
    • By tfc12345 17th May 19, 3:08 PM
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    As a result - if I email them PCM %* and copy to solicitors a SAR is this and request they respond in writing- surely they do not have the right to then harrass us by email?
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    • By Coupon-mad 17th May 19, 7:14 PM
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    No, they can still email you. Use a throwaway email account just for this scam.
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    • tfc12345
    • By tfc12345 18th May 19, 2:21 PM
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    Thank you - will do

    Is there anyway that a popla appeal is possible here, they say that must be received by 28 days after company rejection notice? But must first be refused by ppc's internal complaints procedure?
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 18th May 19, 2:35 PM
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    Have you seen this?

    https://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2016/11/residential-parking.html
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
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    • By Coupon-mad 19th May 19, 12:56 AM
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    Thank you - will do

    Is there anyway that a popla appeal is possible here, they say that must be received by 28 days after company rejection notice? But must first be refused by ppc's internal complaints procedure?
    Originally posted by Ljt123
    Why are you reading about POPLA when PCM are not BPA AOS members?

    There was absolutely NO appeal worth trying with IPC member firms.
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    • tfc12345
    • By tfc12345 20th May 19, 12:17 PM
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    he estate management have offered to - 'find out about the' charge after complaining, is it worthwhile? or will it muddy the waters?


    Plan to submit to PPC and GS

    I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a formal complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner and to my MP.

    There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require ALL photos taken and an explanation of the allegation and your evidence, i.e.:


    - If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner. If you fail to evidence the actual grace period that applies at this site or suggest that only one period applies, this will be disregarded as an attempt to mislead. In the absence of evidence, it will be reasonably taken to be a minimum of twenty minutes (ten on arrival and ten after parking time) as per industry standards.

    If it comes to light,, that alternative data has been obtained stored and processed incorrectly or unrelated to the vehicle, rights under the Data Protection Act and GDPR regulation are expressly reserved and the rights to pursue a counter claim, a formal complaint will also be made to industry regulators and the DVLA.



    Formal note:
    Should you later pursue this charge by way of litigation, note that service of any legal documents by email is expressly disallowed and you are not entitled to assume that the data in this dispute/appeal remains the current address for service in the future.

    Yours faithfully,

    Is it too early to request evidence of permission/contract from landowner? in this email

    Thank you
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    • By Coupon-mad 20th May 19, 12:36 PM
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    You should certainly pursue the complaint with the landowner as you never know, maybe they will get it cancelled (you should have done this MUCH earlier, but no harm in pushing it now).

    But why are you reading the first post of the NEWBIES thread (appeal stage) if you are way beyond that. You've mentioned Gladstones and a court claim, so the initial appeal is pointless. That is not designed for Gladstones!

    Read post #2 of the NEWBIES thread.

    Also, refer back to KeithP's post #6 and don't miss your deadlines.
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