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    • Guest 44
    • By Guest 44 20th Apr 19, 11:52 AM
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    Euro Car Parks Capital Quay
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    • 20th Apr 19, 11:52 AM
    Euro Car Parks Capital Quay 20th Apr 19 at 11:52 AM
    Hello,
    I have this morning received a letter as the registered keeper of my vehicle saying that on a certain date my vehicle was parked without a valid pay by phone transaction. This was issued By euro car parks for the car park at Capital Quays,Manchester. After some research I've discovered that for less than 2 hours parking it is only 10p and this PCN is for 100 (or 60 if paid within 14 days). Is this legal?
    I have taken advice from the newbies page and have complained to the restaurant that I was visiting and plan to appeal directly to the firm. I was just after any tips to beef up my appeal?

    Many thanks in advance
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 20th Apr 19, 11:57 AM
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    • 20th Apr 19, 11:57 AM
    Unfortunately, yes it is lawful.

    Send the appeal template in blue from the NEWBIES unaltered, from the keeper.

    Get pics of the site and signage for use later at PoPLA. Compare the NTK with the strict requirements of the PoFA to see if they can transfer liability to the keeper.

    Complain to your MP about this unregulated scam.
    Last edited by Fruitcake; 20-04-2019 at 12:01 PM.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 20th Apr 19, 12:14 PM
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    • 20th Apr 19, 12:14 PM
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    • 20th Apr 19, 12:14 PM
    I have taken advice from the newbies page and have complained to the restaurant
    That's the main way to get it cancelled, or escalate it to the RETAIL PARK MANAGEMENT.

    You can't beef up the appeal, you just use the NEWBIES thread one.

    You will probably lose at POPLA, but try anyway. ECP can be ignored as they never try court, please no posts here in the future about debt collector letters after losing at POPLA (we really never need to see any ever again, just a heads up).

    The NEWBIES thread post #3 covers the template words to try at POPLA.

    That sticky thread post #4 shows why we never need any posts about debt letters.

    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
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    • User221089
    • By User221089 13th Jun 19, 6:49 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 6:49 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 6:49 PM
    Hi

    Can you tell me if you were successful in your appeal? I got one from the same car park today and cannot understand how signs were missed if they are so clear?

    TIA
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Jun 19, 6:53 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 6:53 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 6:53 PM
    You don't need advice from someone with a PCN from the same car park. Who cares if they won or lost at POPLA, given the advice we gave, it doesn't matter.

    You already saw what the advice is about any Euro Car Parks PCN:
    I have taken advice from the newbies page and have complained to the restaurant
    That's the main way to get it cancelled, or escalate it to the RETAIL PARK MANAGEMENT.

    You can't beef up the appeal, you just use the NEWBIES thread one.

    You will probably lose at POPLA, but try anyway.

    ECP can be ignored as they never try court, please no posts here in the future about debt collector letters after losing at POPLA (we really never need to see any ever again, just a heads up).
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
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    • User221089
    • By User221089 13th Jun 19, 7:08 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 7:08 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 7:08 PM
    Yes trust me I've looked at ALOT of advice over the last few hours since getting home from work to it and have done everything suggested however with it been the same carpark (which would suggest to me the signs arent good enough) and not long ago it would just be nice to hear a success story that's all!
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Jun 19, 7:14 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 7:14 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 7:14 PM
    The signs are never good enough. They put them stupidly high.

    But POPLA cases are not normally won on that basis unless it was dark (but who cares, it's only ECP - I've cheerfully ignored them myself!).
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
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    • User221089
    • By User221089 13th Jun 19, 7:19 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 7:19 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 7:19 PM
    Have you ignored them from the offset though and not appealed it? I feel like appealing it has not helped! I have genuinely scrolled through pages and pages trying to find info on the best thing to do I just dont want to end up paying 100 or over if it's going to come to it in the end I would rather pay the reduced 60. Sorry for rambling I'm just so frustrated about it!
    • Redx
    • By Redx 13th Jun 19, 7:24 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 7:24 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 7:24 PM
    a landowner complaint and cancellation is ALWAYS the best solution

    anything else has no guarantee of success

    if you are appealing it, appeal as KEEPER with the blue text template from the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread

    stop looking for an easy get out , winning or getting this quashed requires some work including research and no blabbing about who was driving or what happened on the day
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Jun 19, 7:39 PM
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    Have you ignored them from the offset though and not appealed it?
    Originally posted by User221089
    Yes, but that was pre-2012 (before POFA and POPLA existed).

    Now, I would always try appeal to a BPA member because some cases are won at POPLA, particularly with photo evidence of lack of signs, or unlit signs if it was dark.

    I have genuinely scrolled through pages and pages trying to find info on the best thing to do I just dont want to end up paying 100 or over if it's going to come to it in the end I would rather pay the reduced 60. Sorry for rambling I'm just so frustrated about it!
    But no-one pays anything to ECP even if they lose at POPLA; that's what you are missing in all this, it doesn't matter.

    And the main weapon is ALWAYS landowner/retailer complaint, first.

    Certainly BEFORE POPLA, as it has a nailed on successful result if you do it early and can get a Manager to agree to cancel it. Not so simple after POPLA.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
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    • User221089
    • By User221089 13th Jun 19, 7:42 PM
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    I appreciate what you're saying BUT some people have been taking to court and had to pay quadruple the amount. It would just be my luck to be one of the unlucky ones! Thank you for your advice though
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 13th Jun 19, 7:43 PM
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    I appreciate what you're saying BUT some people have been taking to court and had to pay quadruple the amount. It would just be my luck to be one of the unlucky ones! Thank you for your advice though
    Originally posted by User221089
    What?? Some people have been taken to court by ECP. Are you sure?

    Are you thinking about starting your own thread anytime soon - so that you can get bespoke advice rather than derailing this thread?
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    • User221089
    • By User221089 13th Jun 19, 7:49 PM
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    I'm not derailing this thread. I simply asked the original poster if they had been successful and then others commented and I am simply replying with my concerns. I dont understand why you are so offended by my comments!
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 13th Jun 19, 7:50 PM
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    OK, any comment on the first line of my post:
    What?? Some people have been taken to court by ECP. Are you sure?
    Originally posted by KeithP
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    • User221089
    • By User221089 13th Jun 19, 7:57 PM
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    From all the forums I've looked on tonight and a Facebook search on ecp fines I found some people discussing been taken to court so yes it appears they have (may be only a tiny percentage but still a percentage)or else it wouldn't be a concern of mine!
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Jun 19, 11:46 PM
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    No they haven't.

    Euro Parking services, but not Euro Car Parks. Don't believe what you read on Facebook!

    And no-one except a hopeless victim with a bad defence, or an aggressive idiot who is so unreasonable that they pee off the court and get stung for punitive costs, pays quadruple!

    You are on a forum where we know what we are talking about, and have done this for YEARS and have seen all parking court case hearings, on a daily list (also for years, and no ECP ones have featured*) unlike rumours from clueless people on pointless social media vehicles like Facebook.



    * in fact they tried one (just once) about 8 - 10 years ago, where they got over-excited due to a person having about 20 PCNs (so the money attracted them to try) and it was so badly pleaded that ECP folded and have never featured on the court lists since.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 13-06-2019 at 11:50 PM.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
    Main site>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
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