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    • smithy9818
    • By smithy9818 16th Apr 19, 5:13 PM
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    sainsburys probation period
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    • 16th Apr 19, 5:13 PM
    sainsburys probation period 16th Apr 19 at 5:13 PM
    hello im on a 12 week probation period at sainsburys distribution centre and ive had 2 sick days off and ive rang in both times to let them know.
    i meet all the rates and am never called in the office as im getting along fine with the job but
    im coming up to the end of probation im worried will i be let go for having 2 days of sickness?
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    • jonnygee2
    • By jonnygee2 16th Apr 19, 5:51 PM
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    You might be let go. They may be lenient. It's their decision.

    In my experience, a lot of companies and managers (including me) will fail a probation if there has been more than one absence. I don't know how Sainsbury's distribution centres work though!

    Sensible to look around for other jobs.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 16th Apr 19, 7:14 PM
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    Many places take a very dim view of people having time off sick in the first few weeks of employment. Apart from anything else it is disruptive to training schedules and can create a considerable amount of extra work.
    Single days off sick are possibly viewed even more in a negative light as any serious illness will generally require more than one day to recover.
    New starters are expected to make every effort to attend, in order to create a good impression of their work ethic as anything else.
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    • By andydownes123 17th Apr 19, 7:39 AM
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    I think you’ll be okay if you haven’t breached their rules on the amount of absences per year.
    • pinkshoes
    • By pinkshoes 17th Apr 19, 7:58 AM
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    Having two sickness periods in 12 weeks where you were SO ill that you could not come into work is very unlucky and unusual.

    How long were you off for each time?

    It will depend on if your boss sees you as a risk e.g. one of those people that takes time of for just a cold.
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    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 17th Apr 19, 11:04 AM
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    Having two sickness periods in 12 weeks where you were SO ill that you could not come into work is very unlucky and unusual.

    How long were you off for each time?

    It will depend on if your boss sees you as a risk e.g. one of those people that takes time of for just a cold.
    Originally posted by pinkshoes



    In the original post they say they have had 2 days off sick and phoned in both times. That is 2 x 1 day absences in 12 weeks in my book, and wouldn't impress me as a manager.
    • stripeyfox
    • By stripeyfox 17th Apr 19, 11:14 AM
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    Two absences in the first few months is hardly ideal but context is everything. Depends on your overall relationship with your manager. Does he/she understand the reasons for your absence? Could it just be "unlucky" and is not typical of your work pattern? Or are you the type of employee who regularly takes the odd day when perhaps they really could drag themselves to work? Hard to say and only the OP knows the answer to that one.

    If it were someone in my team, I would be a little concerned about the absence but if the overall conduct and output of the employee was satisfactory or better, and the reasons given were plausible I might give the benefit of the doubt.
    • Blackbeard of Perranporth
    • By Blackbeard of Perranporth 17th Apr 19, 11:16 AM
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    In the original post they say they have had 2 days off sick and phoned in both times. That is 2 x 1 day absences in 12 weeks in my book, and wouldn't impress me as a manager.
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    • mai_taylor
    • By mai_taylor 17th Apr 19, 11:19 AM
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    Wow people are harsh. You can't help being ill and 2 days in 3 months is hardly excessive. When I first started my job I had to call in sick in the first 2 weeks because of noro virus, i was projectile vomiting for 12 hours there's no way I could have gone into work. Pretty much straight after that I had the flu. Trying to learn a new job when you're not feeling well and going in and passing it on to everyone else is also not going to make a good impression.
    • stripeyfox
    • By stripeyfox 17th Apr 19, 11:25 AM
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    Wow people are harsh. You can't help being ill and 2 days in 3 months is hardly excessive. When I first started my job I had to call in sick in the first 2 weeks because of noro virus, i was projectile vomiting for 12 hours there's no way I could have gone into work. Pretty much straight after that I had the flu. Trying to learn a new job when you're not feeling well and going in and passing it on to everyone else is also not going to make a good impression.
    Originally posted by mai_taylor
    That's why I mentioned context as being important here. You can't help being ill and in the case of vomiting viruses then you may well be told to stay at home anyway. But we don't know the reasons the OP was absent.

    But in my experience people have very different thresholds as to what warrants calling in sick. We have someone in our office who had four days off for "a cold" (her own words).

    Whilst I understand a cold can make you feel a bit crap, I think that is a little excessive. I had a cold myself last week and felt pretty crap, but still went to work.

    Our workplace policy is not to have more than three absences in one rolling 12 month period otherwise a HR Meeting is triggered.

    With that in mind, I'm not going to "waste" a occurrence on something like a cold, but many people do!
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    • By ReadingTim 17th Apr 19, 11:42 AM
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    That's why I mentioned context as being important here. You can't help being ill and in the case of vomiting viruses then you may well be told to stay at home anyway. But we don't know the reasons the OP was absent.

    But in my experience people have very different thresholds as to what warrants calling in sick. We have someone in our office who had four days off for "a cold" (her own words).

    Whilst I understand a cold can make you feel a bit crap, I think that is a little excessive. I had a cold myself last week and felt pretty crap, but still went to work.

    Our workplace policy is not to have more than three absences in one rolling 12 month period otherwise a HR Meeting is triggered.

    With that in mind, I'm not going to "waste" a occurrence on something like a cold, but many people do!
    Originally posted by stripeyfox
    Quite - I've had periods of intense headaches/migraines, vomiting, sleeplessness, fatigue, sensitivity to noise and light, dehydration etc....it was awful and there was no way in the world I should be in work - the fact I'd drunk 10 pints of strong lager the night before is totally unconnected and irrelevant....
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    • By stripeyfox 17th Apr 19, 12:24 PM
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    Quite - I've had periods of intense headaches/migraines, vomiting, sleeplessness, fatigue, sensitivity to noise and light, dehydration etc....it was awful and there was no way in the world I should be in work - the fact I'd drunk 10 pints of strong lager the night before is totally unconnected and irrelevant....
    Originally posted by ReadingTim
    I think I might have caught that from you....
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    • By ReadingTim 17th Apr 19, 5:05 PM
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    I think I might have caught that from you....
    Originally posted by stripeyfox
    There's a lot of it about. Especially at weekends.
    • jonnygee2
    • By jonnygee2 17th Apr 19, 9:29 PM
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    Wow people are harsh. You can't help being ill and 2 days in 3 months is hardly excessive.
    I disagree, it's very excessive. That is a lot of lost productivity, if it continues over a year that's 8 absences a year.

    The reasons wouldn't really be important to me unless it was related to a disability. I don't really want people in my teams that are going to have more than 1 - 2 absences a year. There's a business to run!

    But in my experience people have very different thresholds as to what warrants calling in sick. We have someone in our office who had four days off for "a cold" (her own words).
    This is exactly why you get rid of people who take a lot of time off during probation. Act early and save yourself pain!
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 18th Apr 19, 7:12 AM
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    hello im on a 12 week probation period at sainsburys distribution centre and ive had 2 sick days off and ive rang in both times to let them know.
    i meet all the rates and am never called in the office as im getting along fine with the job but
    im coming up to the end of probation im worried will i be let go for having 2 days of sickness?
    Originally posted by smithy9818
    No 1 here can know for certain, you could be ok.
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 18th Apr 19, 7:13 AM
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    Wow people are harsh. You can't help being ill and 2 days in 3 months is hardly excessive. When I first started my job I had to call in sick in the first 2 weeks because of noro virus, i was projectile vomiting for 12 hours there's no way I could have gone into work. Pretty much straight after that I had the flu. Trying to learn a new job when you're not feeling well and going in and passing it on to everyone else is also not going to make a good impression.
    Originally posted by mai_taylor
    Dont see anyone being harsh.
    • Doshwaster
    • By Doshwaster 18th Apr 19, 9:11 AM
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    I had 5 days off in ten years. One of my colleagues has had no days off ill in his entire career (and he's in his fifties).

    Like other people, I'd be concerned that my new recruit may have too low a threshold for taking time off, and I'd want to understand more before making a decision.
    Originally posted by marlot
    I've had the occasional day where I've felt crappy but "worked from home" (obviously not possible in all jobs) to avoid sneezing over everyone but I'm struggling to think of the last time I was properly off work sick. It has to be at least 5 or 6 years ago.

    In my experience management is especially suspicious about repeated single day absences. There isn't much you can do for a bug which knocks you out for a few days but if you claim to be too ill to work one day with the "flu" then be perfectly fine the next day then that does start to raise alarms, especially if there is a pattern to it.
    • stripeyfox
    • By stripeyfox 18th Apr 19, 9:46 AM
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    I've had the occasional day where I've felt crappy but "worked from home" (obviously not possible in all jobs) to avoid sneezing over everyone but I'm struggling to think of the last time I was properly off work sick. It has to be at least 5 or 6 years ago.

    In my experience management is especially suspicious about repeated single day absences. There isn't much you can do for a bug which knocks you out for a few days but if you claim to be too ill to work one day with the "flu" then be perfectly fine the next day then that does start to raise alarms, especially if there is a pattern to it.
    Originally posted by Doshwaster
    Agree. lots of single day absences are viewed with more suspicion. I've worked in places where it had become endemic because people see others taking time off for "a cold" and nothing seems to get done, so everyone starts doing it! That's why management need to keep a close eye on it.

    2 days in 3 months might not be excessive to some, in certain circumstance, but two absences in your FIRST three months with an employer is not ideal. You're just giving them an excuse to let you go. As said, I think a lot would depend on the overall output and conduct of the employee.

    Our HR team are very sharp on time off. I had a colleague who had two previous "strikes" and came to work when she was poorly. She sat in the office feeling dreadful and coughing really badly. The guy from HR happened to be in the office and said "what are you doing here in this condition?" and sent her home! They didin't count this one against her as she'd made a huge effort to come to work.
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