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    • beckysbobbles1
    • By beckysbobbles1 16th Apr 19, 4:33 PM
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    Taking sick leave whilst on my notice period
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    • 16th Apr 19, 4:33 PM
    Taking sick leave whilst on my notice period 16th Apr 19 at 4:33 PM
    Hi all


    I handed my notice in at work recently and I have a three month notice period. This would mean me leaving on 28 June.


    I have an operation scheduled for 24 April. I've been having appointments etc since September 2018 and was awaiting the date for this operation for months. The date came after I handed my notice in.


    I told HR about this and she explained that I would be able to have the operation and I would be paid for my time off. The handbook states sick pay is at the discretion of the company so I wanted to ask whether I would be paid and she verbally confirmed I would be paid for the two weeks off.


    Because work is incredibly quiet at the moment, I asked whether they would like to reduce my notice period. In my mind there is no point them paying me to be in work when I have no work to do.


    I suggested to have my final day in the office on 17 May. This would mean they would save paying my salary for six weeks. I suggested this date as it would allow me the two weeks off for my operation plus 10 days back in the office just in case there were any loose ends to tie up.


    I've just had a meeting with my Line Manager who has informed me that HR would rather I leave before the operation. This would mean not being paid for the two weeks recovery. This goes against what she had previously verbally said to me.


    My Line Manager is lovely and he explained he is happy with the original plan of me having the time off for my operation then a few days back in the office however HR have asked him to speak to me.


    I feel very disappointed with this and feel quite frustrated as other people have left previously (under bad circumstances) and been given three months garden leave (full pay). Whereas I've always worked hard, put in many extra hours (some weeks working 55+ hours) and yet now when I need some help, they don't care.


    I have said I will revert back to the original leaving date of 28 June if it means I can take the time off for my operation paid. I just wondered if anyone has any advice please?
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    • sportsarb
    • By sportsarb 16th Apr 19, 4:44 PM
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    You don't owe HR anything.

    Stick to the original plan and leave on the 28th. You were being considerate and they decided to take liberties with that.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 16th Apr 19, 4:45 PM
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    If you are entitled to 3 months notice from the company I would simply stick to that. You tried to be helpful to them and HR have effectively thrown it back in your face. After that I wouldn't be looking to do them any more favours.
    • Takeaway_Addict
    • By Takeaway_Addict 16th Apr 19, 6:05 PM
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    If you are entitled to 3 months notice from the company I would simply stick to that. You tried to be helpful to them and HR have effectively thrown it back in your face. After that I wouldn't be looking to do them any more favours.
    Originally posted by TELLIT01
    In fairness to HR, it just sounds like the OP wants their cake and eat it, the op and only a few days back and gone.

    The company may actually want a decent handover or a substantial saving to cover the increased hassle.
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    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 16th Apr 19, 6:51 PM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 6:51 PM
    Do you have any reason to need to leave early?

    If not tell your manager the deal is off you are getting paid for ALL your notice.

    If they want you to leave early they need to PILON.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 16th Apr 19, 7:09 PM
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    In fairness to HR, it just sounds like the OP wants their cake and eat it, the op and only a few days back and gone.
    Originally posted by Takeaway_Addict

    I see absolutely no evidence of that in the OP. They have explained that there is little work, and there seems little point in being kept on after the period that they believe would be sufficient for a proper handover.
    • KatrinaWaves
    • By KatrinaWaves 16th Apr 19, 8:14 PM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 8:14 PM
    According to your other thread your new job starts on 1st June. Weird when your current notice period doesn’t end until the 28th June...
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 16th Apr 19, 8:58 PM
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    I see absolutely no evidence of that in the OP. They have explained that there is little work, and there seems little point in being kept on after the period that they believe would be sufficient for a proper handover.
    Originally posted by TELLIT01
    But if there's little work & the OP is leaving, then the employer is acting logically in reducing their salary bill by suggesting the OP leaves now?
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    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 16th Apr 19, 9:18 PM
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    But if there's little work & the OP is leaving, then the employer is acting logically in reducing their salary bill by suggesting the OP leaves now?
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime

    The employer trying to 'encourage' the employee to leave to save them money is very different to claiming the employee wanted to have their cake and eat it. The employee had little to gain by offering to leave on less notice than their legal entitlement.
    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 16th Apr 19, 9:39 PM
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    The employer trying to 'encourage' the employee to leave to save them money is very different to claiming the employee wanted to have their cake and eat it. The employee had little to gain by offering to leave on less notice than their legal entitlement.
    Originally posted by TELLIT01
    Katrina has already pointed out that the OP has got something to gain by varying her notice period. Her notice period finishes June 28th, but her new employment commences 4 weeks earlier on June 1st: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5988862

    So, yes, trying to amend her notice period to an earlier date to maximise her earnings whilst finishing earlier than her contract allows in order to start a new position does look like someone who is taking whatever advantage she can (having her cake and eating it).
    Last edited by LilElvis; 16-04-2019 at 9:46 PM.
    • FBaby
    • By FBaby 17th Apr 19, 7:06 AM
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    But if there's little work & the OP is leaving, then the employer is acting logically in reducing their salary bill by suggesting the OP leaves now?
    There is if they are recruiting someone to replace OP and they need OP to be there by the time the other person stsrt for a handover face to face.

    It looks like OP has planned it well. The thing is as they've agreed an early start of the other job, they won't finish their notice period any way, the issue is that at least theoretically, the company could sue OP for any loss of income.

    Understandable OP that you would have wanted 2xweeks paid sickness, but considering you were planning on shafting them afterwards anyway, I don't think 5bey owe you any flexibility.
    • Takeaway_Addict
    • By Takeaway_Addict 17th Apr 19, 7:18 AM
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    According to your other thread your new job starts on 1st June. Weird when your current notice period doesn’t end until the 28th June...
    Originally posted by KatrinaWaves
    Ooops OP- well thats not gone well has it.
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    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 17th Apr 19, 7:19 AM
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    Katrina has already pointed out that the OP has got something to gain by varying her notice period. Her notice period finishes June 28th, but her new employment commences 4 weeks earlier on June 1st: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5988862

    So, yes, trying to amend her notice period to an earlier date to maximise her earnings whilst finishing earlier than her contract allows in order to start a new position does look like someone who is taking whatever advantage she can (having her cake and eating it).
    Originally posted by LilElvis

    I don't go searching for other posts by the same poster, but that does put a somewhat different light on things. With more information it would seem that the OP has actually got themselves into a mess and is looking for a way out without losing money. I suspect the current employer is also aware of the situation which is why the counter offer has been made. If the employer holds the OP to their contracted notice period they have a major problem. The lesser one would be to accept the early termination date and move on to the new job.
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    • By andydownes123 17th Apr 19, 7:28 AM
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    I don't go searching for other posts by the same poster, but that does put a somewhat different light on things. With more information it would seem that the OP has actually got themselves into a mess and is looking for a way out without losing money. I suspect the current employer is also aware of the situation which is why the counter offer has been made. If the employer holds the OP to their contracted notice period they have a major problem. The lesser one would be to accept the early termination date and move on to the new job.
    Originally posted by TELLIT01
    Yep. OP started another thread recently on how she could maximise her maternity leave by having a child at a certain time. She was considering having a child as soon as she gets this new job, but was concerned she wouldn’t get the maximum payments. Shaft the old employer out of notice, shaft the new one with a immediate pregnancy. People like OP are why normal, hard workers are often given short-shrift by our employers.
    Last edited by andydownes123; 17-04-2019 at 7:31 AM.
    • beckysbobbles1
    • By beckysbobbles1 17th Apr 19, 9:10 AM
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    In fairness to HR, it just sounds like the OP wants their cake and eat it, the op and only a few days back and gone.

    The company may actually want a decent handover or a substantial saving to cover the increased hassle.
    Originally posted by Takeaway_Addict

    Why don't you read the post properly instead of being so judgemental. There is zero work for me to do so they are paying me to sit here and chat to people on forums.


    I asked to leave early so they would save paying me for six weeks. That's about £8k they could save!


    I am perfectly happy to stay and do nothing for the next two months but I was actually trying to do the right thing.
    • beckysbobbles1
    • By beckysbobbles1 17th Apr 19, 9:11 AM
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    According to your other thread your new job starts on 1st June. Weird when your current notice period doesn’t end until the 28th June...
    Originally posted by KatrinaWaves

    That's a typo, I start on 1 July which is a Monday but thanks for taking the time to review my previous posts
    Last edited by beckysbobbles1; 17-04-2019 at 9:36 AM.
    • beckysbobbles1
    • By beckysbobbles1 17th Apr 19, 9:14 AM
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    Yep. OP started another thread recently on how she could maximise her maternity leave by having a child at a certain time. She was considering having a child as soon as she gets this new job, but was concerned she wouldn’t get the maximum payments. Shaft the old employer out of notice, shaft the new one with a immediate pregnancy. People like OP are why normal, hard workers are often given short-shrift by our employers.
    Originally posted by andydownes123
    If you're going to take the time to review my old posts, please read the post properly. I am not planning on having a child as soon as I start the new role. I'm trying to plan things accordingly like a responsible person. And as for honest working people, I am one of those too except I actually have a professional career that requires some planning. I'd love to know what mediocre job you're doing to feel so disgruntled.
    Last edited by beckysbobbles1; 17-04-2019 at 9:38 AM.
    • KatrinaWaves
    • By KatrinaWaves 17th Apr 19, 10:31 AM
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    That's a typo, I start on 1 July which is a Monday but thanks for taking the time to review my previous posts
    Originally posted by beckysbobbles1
    Of course it is. A typo which just happens to tie into you wanting to leave your other job early
    • ReadingTim
    • By ReadingTim 17th Apr 19, 10:38 AM
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    If you're going to take the time to review my old posts, please read the post properly. I am not planning on having a child as soon as I start the new role. I'm trying to plan things accordingly like a responsible person. And as for honest working people, I am one of those too except I actually have a professional career that requires some planning. I'd love to know what mediocre job you're doing to feel so disgruntled.
    Originally posted by beckysbobbles1
    There's a fine line between planning and scheming, and the fact that all of these "helpful" suggestions you're making seem to benefit yourself more than the party you're making them to suggests you've fallen the wrong side of it. Holding yourself out as some kind of martyr and getting nasty when someone notices your ulterior motives doesn't endear you to anyone either.
    • Employers want maximum work for minimum pay
    • Employees want minimum work for maximum pay.

    Just be honest and admit which side of the fence you're on.
    • beckysbobbles1
    • By beckysbobbles1 17th Apr 19, 10:39 AM
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    Of course it is. A typo which just happens to tie into you wanting to leave your other job early
    Originally posted by KatrinaWaves

    Shall I post my offer of contract to confirm?? I don't need to leave early. I am perfectly happy to sit here until 28 June and get paid to do !!!!!! all.
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