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    • alfielover1
    • By alfielover1 16th Apr 19, 11:05 AM
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    Euro Car parking fine - RK out of country
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:05 AM
    Euro Car parking fine - RK out of country 16th Apr 19 at 11:05 AM
    Hi all

    Just looking for some advice.

    The registered keeper received a parking fine after the driver went into a car park for half an hour on 03/02/19 to pick up a friend. Cameras captured the vehicle entering the premises and leaving - they have attached photos of the reg plate. The driver didn't actually leave the vehicle so you can understand the frustration having an invoice of £100 for this.

    On top of this, the registered keeper was out of the country at the time this occurred. Therefore, registered keepers post was not opened and the original fine not seen until recently when a letter from Debt Recovery Plus was opened asking for £160.

    Thank you
    Last edited by alfielover1; 17-04-2019 at 3:26 PM.
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 16th Apr 19, 11:11 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:11 AM
    Edit your post to remove information about who did what. Only ever refer to The Driver and The Keeper, who are two different people.

    Do this now before you do anything else.

    It is not a fine.

    Next, send the blue template appeal from The Keeper to the PPC that you will find in the NEWBIES. Add a one liner that since the keeper was out of the country and was not the driver at the time of the alleged event, this is the first they have heard about this.

    Complain to the landowner as either keeper or an occupant of the car if this is a viable option. (If the driver or the passenger had business on the site.)

    Complain to your/the keeper's MP about this unregulated scam.

    Ignore anything and everything from now on except real court papers. Post 4 of the NEWBIES explains why it is safe to ignore powerless debt collectors.
    Last edited by Fruitcake; 16-04-2019 at 11:14 AM.
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 16th Apr 19, 11:15 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:15 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:15 AM
    My sister went travelling for a couple months and lended me her car while I was at univeristy in Manchester.
    Studying English by any chance?
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
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    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 16th Apr 19, 11:15 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:15 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:15 AM
    @OP

    If you have used your real name as your forum name then you need to get mse to change it to something anonymous

    The ppcs monitor this forum and can use posts in your thread against you
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 16th Apr 19, 11:22 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:22 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:22 AM
    Who opened the letters?

    Who would have paid?

    More editing is needed.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
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    • alfielover1
    • By alfielover1 16th Apr 19, 11:28 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:28 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:28 AM
    The driver opened the letters after returning to the home adress of the RK
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 16th Apr 19, 11:41 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:41 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:41 AM
    The driver opened the letters after returning to the home adress of the RK
    Originally posted by hollyamber
    Don't reveal the driver's identity. Edit your OP to remove details of the driver's identity

    Only use the third party as in the driver did this/the keeper did that
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 16th Apr 19, 11:43 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:43 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 11:43 AM
    The RK went travelling for a couple months and lent the driver her car while at univeristy in Manchester.
    Nope, still not correct!
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    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 16th Apr 19, 12:03 PM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 12:03 PM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 12:03 PM
    Didn't think I was unhelpful,??

    But good luck on finding someone here to advise you!
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 16th Apr 19, 12:12 PM
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    What is wrong with my post? I am seeking advice.. if you do not having anything helpful to input then simply ignore it
    Originally posted by hollyamber
    If you donít like certain postersí inputs you can actually ignore them by not rising to comments made. Fairly simple stuff.

    If you canít deal with it, how on earth are you going to cope with the aggressive, demanding letters from debt collectors (maybe even solicitorsí letters) that will be coming to your friend, potentially over the next 6 years?

    Just think carefully about who might be able to help your friend before biting at anyoneís head! It is she who will need the help.

    Break it to her gently!
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day;
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 16th Apr 19, 12:18 PM
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    What is wrong with my post? I am seeking advice.. if you do not having anything helpful to input then simply ignore it
    Originally posted by hollyamber
    If this gets to court you will need to be absolutely precise and unambiguous in your wording.
    Everyone here gives up their time for free to help others.
    You may not necessarily understand everything you are being told, but I assure you it is with the best intentions. You need to think about what you have been told and then work out why you have been given that information rather than give a knee jerk reaction.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

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    • alfielover1
    • By alfielover1 17th Apr 19, 3:22 PM
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    Please can I have some help. I have emailed the MSE asking for my other thread to be closed.

    I have submitted a dispute using the template in NEWBIES to to Euro Car Parks but I gather this will most likely be declined. - Thank you fruitcake for your advice on this issue.

    I have also emailed my MP who is kindly liaising with Euro Car Parks, however, in his most recent email he has said he has 'written to euro car parks and request they hold off on bailiff action and allow me to pay the original amount of the fine.' Obviously this is much better than the £160 the debt recovery asked for, however, I still think £100 is alot of money I think this falls into the higher tier band for fines?

    Do I have a leg to stand on or should I pay the £100? This car park wasn't attached to a shopping centre etc. So I cant contact any of them for support.

    If I do go down the popla route what grounds would I argue? Could I argue that I am being charged too much or that they haven't lost any money from my issue?
    • waamo
    • By waamo 17th Apr 19, 3:28 PM
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    Post 3 in the Newbies thread goes into great detail about how to win at POPLA. Study it carefully. You have plenty of time to understand the usual POPLA arguments.
    This space for hire.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 17th Apr 19, 3:29 PM
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    it wont be lowered, you can be sure of that , plus it isnt a "fine" , its an invoice

    its either pay up in full, or fight , your choice

    the excuses you made wont wash either , if you are to win , its on a legal technicality only, which are the usual POPLA appeal points seen in loads of other POPLA appeals on here
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • alfielover1
    • By alfielover1 17th Apr 19, 3:37 PM
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    Thank you for your responses. How long after I write a POPLA appeal will I get a response? I am worried that it will just get to the debt recovery stage again if I dont do this in time.
    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 17th Apr 19, 3:38 PM
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    I have also emailed my MP who is kindly liaising with Euro Car Parks, however, in his most recent email he has said he has 'written to euro car parks and request they hold off on bailiff action and allow me to pay the original amount of the fine.' Obviously this is much better than the £160 the debt recovery asked for, however, I still think £100 is alot of money I think this falls into the higher tier band for fines?
    Originally posted by alfielover1





    Your MP hasn't got a clue you won't get bailiff action this will just spur the Muppet PPC on thinking they have the two of you hooked.


    It's not a fine!


    They wont let you pay the original invoice, they have a no win no fee contract with their stupid debt threat liars!


    Yes it is higher than a council fine, but then again it's not a fine is it it's an extortionate charge by profiteering scumbags.



    If you ignore the debt collectors they will eventually throw in the towel and hand it back.


    Please in future stop the driver taking liberties on private property though it's very presumptuous to think they can park where they like and parking IS parking even when your engine is running and you haven't got out.


    In this greed ridden world you need your wits about you, I would fight on with help from here but every one is different.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 17th Apr 19, 3:38 PM
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    You’re beyond any appeal stage (parking event 03/02/19), so POPLA won’t apply. There is nothing you can do to get this charge cancelled (other than perhaps a landowner cancellation, research who the landowner is).

    Other than that, you are in ignore mode so continue ignoring everything unless you get a Letter of Claim from a solicitor, or real court papers from the Northampton CCBC.

    As I write, ECP are not in any way litigious, so at the moment there is no advantage in paying them anything. They do have 6 years to raise a court claim, and while we can’t give guarantees, they’ve shown no inclination to do so to date.

    Come back on this thread if you receive a LoC or court papers.
    Last edited by Umkomaas; 17-04-2019 at 7:55 PM. Reason: Freekin auto correct/predictive text. Missing Steve Jobs who wouldn’t allow this crap!
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day;
    show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • alfielover1
    • By alfielover1 17th Apr 19, 3:53 PM
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    Please in future stop the driver taking liberties on private property though it's very presumptuous to think they can park where they like and parking IS parking even when your engine is running and you haven't got out.


    In this greed ridden world you need your wits about you, I would fight on with help from here but every one is different.
    Originally posted by fisherjim
    The driver fully understands the mistake made and it most definitely wont happen again!!


    Youíre beyond any appeal stage (parking event 03/02/19), so POPLA wonít apply. There is nothing you can do to get this charge cancelled (other than perhaps a landowner cancellation, research who the landowner is).

    Other than that, you are in ignore mode so continue ignoring everything unless you get a Letter of Claim from a solicitor, or real court papers from the Northampton CCBC.

    As I write, ECP are not in any way litigious, so at the moment there is no advantage in paying them anything. They do have 6 years to raise a court claim, and while we canít give guarantees, theyíve shown no inclusion nation to do so to date.

    Come back on this thread if you receive a LoC or court papers.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    Thanks for the advice I will ignore for now.
    • alfielover1
    • By alfielover1 17th Apr 19, 3:56 PM
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    Im a bit worried now.. how likely is it that I will have to stand up in court?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 17th Apr 19, 4:00 PM
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    Im a bit worried now.. how likely is it that I will have to stand up in court?
    Originally posted by alfielover1
    Most unlikely.

    Have a look at this video:

    Notice that everyone remains seated - most of the time.
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