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    • phil_b
    • By phil_b 15th Apr 19, 7:48 PM
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    Dealing with thick tradesman
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    • 15th Apr 19, 7:48 PM
    Dealing with thick tradesman 15th Apr 19 at 7:48 PM
    Rant alert...

    I think I've reached the end of my tether with a builder. There have been a few jobs done here and there where there has been a lack of attention to detail, care and attention. That's the only way I can describe it.

    E.g Cornice fitted upside down - Swan neck cornice clearly should project further across the ceiling than it does down the wall?!?

    A lot of work has been done and it seems the simple things are what causes them to have a brain malfunction.

    The latest is 35 SQM of oak flooring laid in a brick pattern. i.e the lengthway joins all lining up. Not how it should be done. This is despite my stating I wanted a random staggered pattern for the natural look that you see with 99% of wood floors.

    The above would be just about tolerable, but there are a few joins here and there which don't even line up at all, i.e are random. Total lack of thought... and it stands out. This is an expensive issue. I can't face the prospect of them taking the floor up and trying to do it again.

    I really want to shout and get angry, tell them I'm not paying and to do a hike, but it's not so simple is it.

    What to do??
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    • comeandgo
    • By comeandgo 15th Apr 19, 9:01 PM
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    So why did you choose this particular person? What made him stand out that you hired him?
    • jk0
    • By jk0 15th Apr 19, 9:04 PM
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    • 15th Apr 19, 9:04 PM
    If you want a job doing properly...
    • Mr.Generous
    • By Mr.Generous 15th Apr 19, 9:20 PM
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    I can't really picture the flooring - it gets laid as it comes, the size of the pieces determine where the joints are. A picture would paint 1000 words ...
    • missile
    • By missile 15th Apr 19, 9:48 PM
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    Some tradesmen seem to take delight in doing things to annoy a client who they dislike.
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    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 15th Apr 19, 9:56 PM
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    You've got the same person doing everything?

    That's probably your problem. Jack of all trades, master of none, and we are talking about detail here, so the sort of detail that a specialist plasterer or carpenter would have been taught.
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    • Mistral001
    • By Mistral001 16th Apr 19, 8:56 AM
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    Many tradesmen will ignore customers wishes because they do not understand the instructions or because they want to do the work in a way that they did on a previous job rather than doing it in a way that they are unfamiliar with.

    However, this builder seems to be just doing everything wrong. It is like a prank TV show. Maybe someone will come around the corner with a microphone and TV camera crew!
    • lewisa
    • By lewisa 16th Apr 19, 9:16 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 9:16 AM
    I can't really picture the flooring - it gets laid as it comes, the size of the pieces determine where the joints are. A picture would paint 1000 words ...
    Originally posted by Mr.Generous
    The person laying the floor determines where the joints are. Decent flooring will come with a selection of different length boards in each bundle to further increase the options for randomness.

    Random joints is rule 2 in laying flooring. Rule 1 being a suitable subfloor.
    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 16th Apr 19, 9:21 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 9:21 AM
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    • 16th Apr 19, 9:21 AM
    The person laying the floor determines where the joints are. Decent flooring will come with a selection of different length boards in each bundle to further increase the options for randomness.

    Random joints is rule 2 in laying flooring. Rule 1 being a suitable subfloor.
    Originally posted by lewisa
    Exactly this. You should set a row out before laying it, such that the last plank is cut to leave a reasonable size offcut with which to start the next row. Every so often you get a position where a plank is just slightly long or short to end the row, so you take the next size up or down, cut and repeat. Every time I've laid flooring, the selection of lengths in each pack is in a sensible ratio to give you what you need.

    The problem with OP's flooring is that he will have a weak "fault line" where all the joins align. You wouldn't build a brick wall with all the bricks aligned and not staggered for the same reason.

    Sorry OP, that flooring needs to come up and be relaid or you'll probably have problems later on.


    Edited to add: I misinterpreted OP's description - it seems the planks are staggered, but perfectly and uniformly rather than in a random pattern.
    Last edited by Aylesbury Duck; 17-04-2019 at 11:33 AM.
    • theGrinch
    • By theGrinch 16th Apr 19, 3:46 PM
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    You need to hold your hands up if you made the hire. Sorry it doesn't help but its stark reality.
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    • phill99
    • By phill99 16th Apr 19, 7:02 PM
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    The person laying the floor determines where the joints are. Decent flooring will come with a selection of different length boards in each bundle to further increase the options for randomness.

    Random joints is rule 2 in laying flooring. Rule 1 being a suitable subfloor.
    Originally posted by lewisa
    Not true. It depends entirely on the flooring you buy. Some are designed for random laying, hence random lengths in the pack. Some are designed to have every second joint meeting at the same place.


    If the client has chosen the latter but actually ants the former, then it is as much the clients fault for not specifying the product correctly.
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    • lewisa
    • By lewisa 17th Apr 19, 9:14 AM
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    Quote Phil "I requested random pattern" + "like 99% of flooring"

    If you had mentioned parquet or some niche board product then maybe I would have thought differently about the comment in question.
    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 17th Apr 19, 9:55 AM
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    Exactly this. You should set a row out before laying it, such that the last plank is cut to leave a reasonable size offcut with which to start the next row. Every so often you get a position where a plank is just slightly long or short to end the row, so you take the next size up or down, cut and repeat. Every time I've laid flooring, the selection of lengths in each pack is in a sensible ratio to give you what you need.

    The problem with OP's flooring is that he will have a weak "fault line" where all the joins align. You wouldn't build a brick wall with all the bricks aligned and not staggered for the same reason.

    Sorry OP, that flooring needs to come up and be relaid or you'll probably have problems later on.
    Originally posted by Aylesbury Duck

    That isn't my interpretation. He describes a brick pattern. It's solid, he just doesn't like the way it's all too perfect!

    It's the finer detail, not a particular problem with workmanship.
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    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 17th Apr 19, 11:30 AM
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    That isn't my interpretation. He describes a brick pattern. It's solid, he just doesn't like the way it's all too perfect!

    It's the finer detail, not a particular problem with workmanship.
    Originally posted by Doozergirl
    Yes, I see. I think you're correct and the joins of every other plank have been aligned. Probably makes it look a bit "laminate".
    • Carrot007
    • By Carrot007 17th Apr 19, 11:55 AM
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    The latest is 35 SQM of oak flooring laid in a brick pattern. i.e the lengthway joins all lining up. Not how it should be done. This is despite my stating I wanted a random staggered pattern for the natural look that you see with 99% of wood floors.
    Originally posted by phil_b

    Things like this and tiling option alwasy come down to did you tell them?


    Some people assume things will be automatically done the way they want. They are often wrong, and often choose the wrong materials for what they want and are upset that it had to be a different way.


    So what it come down to did you have long conversations with written (whatsapp etc would be enough, I just meant for record) follow up as to what should be done?
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