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    • Melmar
    • By Melmar 13th Apr 19, 11:46 AM
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    Deceased Persons property
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    • 13th Apr 19, 11:46 AM
    Deceased Persons property 13th Apr 19 at 11:46 AM
    Hi, sorry if this is the wrong forum but I wasnít sure were to post.
    I have a reclusive Uncle that has passed away. My contact with him was limited to a Christmas card once a year and that was how he liked it. Any further contact would be rejected.
    Sadly he has passed away and I found out from heir hunters touting for business.
    I need to find out if he left a will. The coroner has advised me to search the property. The police have sealed the property and donít seem to know who has the responsibility to let me look for the will.

    Is there anyone out there who can advise me on how to gain access or find out if there is a will via another method.

    Many thanks
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    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 13th Apr 19, 11:54 AM
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    What is the family makeup?
    Did he ever marry/have kids (I assume no).
    Does have surviving siblings?
    Does he have other nieces/nephews?

    Do you think he has "an estate", things of value, is the house his, etc?
    Do you think he was in serious debt/has nothing?

    If he has money/an estate, somebody needs to apply for probate. It doesn't matter who does that, but who else COULD do that?

    If he has debts you need to distance yourself from it entirely.

    I presume you're after photos/paperwork and "knick knacks" in the first instance?
    • Brynsam
    • By Brynsam 13th Apr 19, 5:55 PM
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    • 13th Apr 19, 5:55 PM
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    • 13th Apr 19, 5:55 PM
    Have you asked the coroner, given that he was the one who advised you to search the property?
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 13th Apr 19, 6:27 PM
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    • 13th Apr 19, 6:27 PM
    Catch 22 the legal owners or the administrator have the right to enter.

    Without a will with named executors it needs a grant..

    In practice the one with accees to the keys just goes in or let's people in.

    Rented or owned?

    Why are the police involved?
    • nom de plume
    • By nom de plume 14th Apr 19, 4:30 PM
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    • 14th Apr 19, 4:30 PM
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    • 14th Apr 19, 4:30 PM
    Why are the police involved?
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    I'm going to guess that entry was forced into the property and it was subsequently made secure by the Police's contractor.

    In the OP's boots (who I'm assuming is one of the closest relatives and has the approval of other family members) I'd be inclined to let myself in (perhaps with the aid of a locksmith), fit new locks as necessary and go about conducting a search.
    • SeniorSam
    • By SeniorSam 15th Apr 19, 6:53 AM
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    • 15th Apr 19, 6:53 AM
    Do be very careful about the last advice. If the Police have sealed the property, you could find yourself in serious difficulty taking the matter into your own hands.

    Why have you not gone to the police for information, as there would be a notice on the property advising you to do that.

    If heir hunters are involved, then it would seem that they are seeking to help find beneficiaries, of which you may be one. They only get paid by being able to conclude their investigations, but if you don't want the benefit of their expertise because you feel that they are not worth their fees, it's up to you. Tyt the police in the first instance, but don't go changing locks.
    I'm a retired IFA who specialised for many years in Inheritance Tax, Wills and Trusts. I cannot offer advice now, so my comments are just meant to be helpful.
    • unforeseen
    • By unforeseen 15th Apr 19, 7:21 AM
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    • 15th Apr 19, 7:21 AM
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    • 15th Apr 19, 7:21 AM
    If he has passed away recently (in the last year) then the heir hunters would not have got his name from the Bona Vacantia as it is too fresh to consider it as not claimed.

    This sounds like somebody has hired them to do this.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 15th Apr 19, 8:08 AM
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    If he has passed away recently (in the last year) then the heir hunters would not have got his name from the Bona Vacantia as it is too fresh to consider it as not claimed.

    This sounds like somebody has hired them to do this.
    Originally posted by unforeseen
    It's a myth that estates don't get onto the BV list for a long time.

    Estates hit BV as soon as someone notifies them(councels, hospitals and banks quite common) it can be days from DOD, a lot are a few weeks.

    HH also get tip offs when there may be an estate of interest that don't get referred.

    Once on they often get removed quite quickly as relatives are found.

    Looks like BV have updated their interface to the list so I don't have to download and analyse like last time(you can still download the CSV)

    https://www.bonavacantialist.co.uk/search?UnclaimedUsers_sort=death_date.desc

    on the first page there is one that took 16 days
    died 23rd Feb(Sat) added 11 March(Mon)
    page 2 added 14/01/2019 DOD 01/01/2019


    A previous thread on how BV works from 2 years ago(was it that long ago)

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5602040

    I am not going to do an update but from then the key data for estates hitting the list is in post #23.
    • nom de plume
    • By nom de plume 15th Apr 19, 8:46 AM
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    Do be very careful about the last advice. If the Police have sealed the property, you could find yourself in serious difficulty taking the matter into your own hands.
    Originally posted by SeniorSam

    I'm guessing the word 'sealed' is misleading in this instance and it's not a crime scene, rather a property made safe following a forced entry. Perhaps OP can clarify?
    • unforeseen
    • By unforeseen 15th Apr 19, 3:04 PM
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    It's a myth that estates don't get onto the BV list for a long time.

    Estates hit BV as soon as someone notifies them(councels, hospitals and banks quite common) it can be days from DOD, a lot are a few weeks.

    HH also get tip offs when there may be an estate of interest that don't get referred.

    Once on they often get removed quite quickly as relatives are found.

    Looks like BV have updated their interface to the list so I don't have to download and analyse like last time(you can still download the CSV)

    https://www.bonavacantialist.co.uk/search?UnclaimedUsers_sort=death_date.desc

    on the first page there is one that took 16 days
    died 23rd Feb(Sat) added 11 March(Mon)
    page 2 added 14/01/2019 DOD 01/01/2019


    A previous thread on how BV works from 2 years ago(was it that long ago)

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5602040

    I am not going to do an update but from then the key data for estates hitting the list is in post #23.
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    I ever said that it wouldn't appear on the Bv list, I was saying that heir hunters probably wouldn't touch it because it was too "new"
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 15th Apr 19, 4:39 PM
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    I ever said that it wouldn't appear on the Bv list, I was saying that heir hunters probably wouldn't touch it because it was too "new"
    Originally posted by unforeseen
    They are the ones they go after, get in quick and claim the spoils if any.
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