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    • greenfalco
    • By greenfalco 20th Mar 19, 7:34 PM
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    Euro Parking Services Ltd - PCN NTK
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    • 20th Mar 19, 7:34 PM
    Euro Parking Services Ltd - PCN NTK 20th Mar 19 at 7:34 PM
    Good evening,

    The keeper received a PCN NTK (via post) from Euro Parking Services Ltd (an IPC member) for the reason, ‘Not parked correctly within the markings of the bay or space’. The driver does remember parking there (not obstructing any other vehicles or pedestrians) until another space came free, which is when the driver moved the car to an available space. The offence occurred for a total of 8 minutes, yet has resulted in a £100 fine.

    The keeper would like to point out that the ‘contravention date’ was the 21/02/2019, but issue date is 12/03/2019 (letter received on 15/03/2019). This is past the 14-days which the keeper keeps reading is the time limit Euro Parking Services has, but no mention of POFA 2012.

    The keeper had a read through the Newbies post. In the driver’s case, should they just use the appeal template via the company’s appeals process? Should they mention the 14-day limit?

    Many thanks

    greenfalco
    Last edited by greenfalco; 20-03-2019 at 7:50 PM.
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    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 20th Mar 19, 7:38 PM
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    • 20th Mar 19, 7:38 PM
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    • 20th Mar 19, 7:38 PM
    Yes, send the blue template appeal you have already found.

    Send it unchanged - no additions or alterations needed.

    Send it as the keeper.


    You also need to edit your post to remove clues to the driver's identity.
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    • ShakeItOff
    • By ShakeItOff 20th Mar 19, 7:41 PM
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    • 20th Mar 19, 7:41 PM
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    • 20th Mar 19, 7:41 PM
    Welcome!

    Firstly, please can you edit your post so that it isn't clear who was driving? The PPCs do come and have a read, so you don't want to identify yourself.

    Appeal using the NEWBIES template - don't edit it, it's perfectly fine as it is. You've rightly noted that they are IPC, so there is no point in appealing to them.

    You might find it helpful to search the board to see how litigious Euro Parking Services are, and where they trip themselves up.

    If your appeal fails, expect the debt collection letters as standard (nothing to worry about - they can't do you any harm), but DO come back and see what the advice is when/if you get a letter before claim.

    Also, very importantly, if you move house in the next 6 years (the amount of time they have to bring a claim), send their Data Protection Officer a rectification notice with your new address. You don't want them sneaking through a default CCJ because they couldn't be bothered to check for your new address.
    • greenfalco
    • By greenfalco 20th Mar 19, 7:54 PM
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    • 20th Mar 19, 7:54 PM
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    • 20th Mar 19, 7:54 PM
    Many thanks both, that’s been amended, hope it’s ok now.

    The keeper will appeal via the EPS Ltd website and looks forward to their response.

    Kind regards

    greenfalco
    • ShakeItOff
    • By ShakeItOff 20th Mar 19, 8:22 PM
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    • 20th Mar 19, 8:22 PM
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    • 20th Mar 19, 8:22 PM
    If you can, take a screenshot of the submission, and the confirmation page. It might be handy to you at a later stage. Just in case they say "oops, never received it".
    • greenfalco
    • By greenfalco 20th Mar 19, 8:38 PM
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    • 20th Mar 19, 8:38 PM
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    • 20th Mar 19, 8:38 PM
    Thanks Shakeitoff. I’ve got a copy of the confirmation e-mail. If/when the claim comes through, do I start a new thread or reply to this thread?

    Kind regards

    greenfalco
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 20th Mar 19, 8:40 PM
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    • 20th Mar 19, 8:40 PM
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    • 20th Mar 19, 8:40 PM
    Please keep everything about one incident in a single thread. Thanks.
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    • McLovin01
    • By McLovin01 3rd Apr 19, 7:24 PM
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    • 3rd Apr 19, 7:24 PM
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    • 3rd Apr 19, 7:24 PM
    Ive received a letter about a parking fine about last demand, this is the first letter ive had as the address to myself is incorrect. So the fine is about overstaying, however I stayed 39mins in a car park where they allow 45mins free. How can I deal with this, ive already send an appeal from the newbies thread.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 3rd Apr 19, 7:45 PM
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    • 3rd Apr 19, 7:45 PM
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    • 3rd Apr 19, 7:45 PM
    Please start your own new thread.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
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    • greenfalco
    • By greenfalco 18th Apr 19, 8:44 PM
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    Good evening,

    Following on from the above, the keeper appealed via Euro Parking Services’ website on 20th March 2019.

    The keeper got the following automated response:

    Thank you for submitting your appeal to Euro Parking Services. This e-mail acts as acknowledgement of your appeal.

    A response will be sent to you within 28 days from the date that the appeal was received.

    We will however endeavour to respond to your appeal within 14 days but this may not always be possible.

    If you have not received a response to your appeal after 28 days then please e-mail us to check the status of your appeal at info@europarkingservices.com.

    Please ensure that you check your junk mail in case the appeal response is diverted there. We recommend that you add our e-mail address info@europarkingservices.com to your safe senders list to ensure delivery
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    It has now been 28 days with no further responses (the keeper regularly checks their junk e-mail). Should the keeper follow this up as instructed in the automated response?

    Thanks again!
    Last edited by greenfalco; 18-04-2019 at 8:46 PM.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 18th Apr 19, 8:51 PM
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    Doesn't make any difference if you do or don't though, does it, with an IPC firm.

    The NEWBIES thread 3rd post tells you this.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
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    • greenfalco
    • By greenfalco 20th Apr 19, 11:39 AM
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    Ok, spoke too soon, the keeper received a letter today (20/04/2019) dated 16/04/2019 which rejects the online appeal. 2nd class envelope, so timed to arrive on day 28, but arrives on day 30, not sure this really matters?

    EPS are demanding a payment of £100 before 30/04/2019. They will not accept further appeals, but say the keeper is welcome to appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS), but it must be within 21 days and if the keeper chooses that option the parking charge will automatically increase.

    The keeper believes the only option now (as highlighted above) is to ignore all further correspondence including debt collectors and wait for the letter before claim.

    Thanks again
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 20th Apr 19, 12:04 PM
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    The keeper believes the only option now (as highlighted above) is to ignore all further correspondence including debt collectors and wait for the letter before claim.
    Yep - the only intelligent option, if there is no scope to get a landowner to cancel it.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 20th Apr 19, 12:07 PM
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    Ok, spoke too soon, the keeper received a letter today (20/04/2019) dated 16/04/2019 which rejects the online appeal. 2nd class envelope, so timed to arrive on day 28, but arrives on day 30, not sure this really matters?

    EPS are demanding a payment of £100 before 30/04/2019. They will not accept further appeals, but say the keeper is welcome to appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS), but it must be within 21 days and if the keeper chooses that option the parking charge will automatically increase.

    The keeper believes the only option now (as highlighted above) is to ignore all further correspondence including debt collectors and wait for the letter before claim.

    Thanks again
    Originally posted by greenfalco
    Have you complained to the landowner and your MP? Other than that, yes you are correct.
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    • greenfalco
    • By greenfalco 20th Apr 19, 12:37 PM
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    The keeper complained to two of the stores (Tesco & Greggs) who both had similar responses whereby they apologised, but had no jurisdiction to take any action. The other ones are SME’s (no complaints). Not sure if they collectively own the land or if it’s a separate entity, but will do some research. Would it be the MP for the area where the car park is located (not the keeper’s local MP)?

    Many thanks again.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 20th Apr 19, 8:32 PM
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    Try both MPs.

    You can normally Google the name of any retail park & easily find a contact.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
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    • greenfalco
    • By greenfalco 17th May 19, 9:33 AM
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    Good morning all,

    No updates yet, I’m just requesting some advise. The keeper has been told by a work colleague that the outstanding parking fine will effect the keeper’s credit rating. Is this true?

    Thanks again,
    GF
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 17th May 19, 12:51 PM
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    The keeper has been told by a work colleague that the outstanding parking fine will effect the keeper’s credit rating. Is this true?
    Originally posted by greenfalco
    No - not unless a court case materialises, and you lose that case and you then fail to pay the amount the court ordered within the given timescale.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 17th May 19, 6:25 PM
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    The work colleague is deluded if they don't understand the steps needed (including you losing then choosing not to pay, or ignoring a claim form) before a CCJ arises!

    We wouldn't tell people to defend claims, if we were putting them at any risk at all.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
    Main site>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
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