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    • MandM90
    • By MandM90 28th Nov 18, 2:34 PM
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    The Prepping Thread - A Newer Beginning ;)
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    • 28th Nov 18, 2:34 PM
    The Prepping Thread - A Newer Beginning ;) 28th Nov 18 at 2:34 PM
    Thanks to fuddle for helping to keep your lovely thread safe from the spam gremlins by starting a new one. I've unstuck the old one, link below...

    This will be the PREPPING thread inspired by this long running thread

    and the second one which can be found here

    Votes took place here on what this thread is designed primarily for outcome was as follows....

    54% One thread please politics or not - all prep chat welcome
    11.29% Two threads - one Brexit based politics welcome, one general life based, preferred no politics
    19.35% One thread, no politics please, this is OS
    14.52% I don't honestly mind

    So with these differing opinions, please bear this in mind and enjoy the thread Be respectful and enjoy the community. I really hope everyone's happy with the outcome. I tried to be as fair as I could.

    Let's not forget the intermittent prepping thread

    Guidelines

    * All posters are welcome. This thread doesn't "belong" to anyone (not even me )

    * Please be nice to all moneysavers

    * Let's all draw a line in the sand and move on from previous threads and disagreements etc

    * Would love to see new people joining in here and existing posters who have gone quiet for whatever reason

    EVERYONE IS WELCOME

    Enjoy the new thread Ladels and Jellyspoons. I've made this a sticky to ensure it gets a great start and lots of contribution.

    ZIP

    From the previous thread, let's not forget how this started - from vanoonoo

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    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 13th Jan 19, 8:35 AM
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    PLEASE!!! I agree that the 'B' word can be seen as a disaster and I have no objection to preps of a practical and sensible nature for any possible disaster scenario including Brexit being discussed here BUT NOT THE POLITICS!!! this isn't a thread for political discussion its for PREPAREDNESS to mitigate the perceived results of it happening. No amount of shouting at us preppers is going to change the result, it's NOT our fault it happened in the first place and it adds nothing to the 'prepping information base' that already exists in this and previous prepping threads it diverts from this and distracts from the intended purpose of the thread. The politics of 'Brexit' have a place if you are intent on dissecting them and trying to change peoples outlook BUT THIS THREAD ISN'T IT!!!
    Do not go gentle into that good night, rage rage against the dying of the light Dylan Thomas

    You've always had the power my dear, you just had to learn it for yourself!
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 13th Jan 19, 9:08 AM
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    Miword Bob yes, wheel brace it is.

    I was confusing my braces with my irons (always unfortunate in a gel) and recalling m'grandfather's advice
    When you are in some form of trouble, your main goal should be to play the highest-percentage shot, and return back to safety.
    but he'd carry one of these in his car at all times for the same reason.
    It was a local copper doing an awareness session at the local garage Ladies Night who was vehement that the extending thing gave a gal leverage in situations she might rather not find herself.
    Last edited by DigForVictory; 13-01-2019 at 9:12 AM.
    • silvasava
    • By silvasava 13th Jan 19, 9:24 AM
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    Dig for Victory - granddad's advice as very good. I used to have a starting handle in the car for justin! And yes I can and have used it for its intended purpose
    Nothing comparable in modern cars now - mores the pity.
    Small victories - sometimes they are all you can hope for but sometimes they are all you need - be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 13th Jan 19, 9:32 AM
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    We have and always have had a pickaxe handle without it's metal head in the walking stick container in the hall for 'justin' times and we have upstairs a wonderfully heavy ebony tribal walking stick brought back from Africa for HWK by some friends which is for the same purpose. For self defence a swipe at the lower leg area of the assailant with either of these will be more likely to distract them than trying for a head/shoulders or upper body hit. You're more likely to connect with the bits below the hips and put them off balance.
    Do not go gentle into that good night, rage rage against the dying of the light Dylan Thomas

    You've always had the power my dear, you just had to learn it for yourself!
    • jk0
    • By jk0 13th Jan 19, 9:50 AM
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    Dig for Victory - granddad's advice as very good. I used to have a starting handle in the car for justin! And yes I can and have used it for its intended purpose
    Nothing comparable in modern cars now - mores the pity.
    Originally posted by silvasava

    For a minute there I thought 'Justin' was an over-amorous boyfriend.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jan 19, 11:46 AM
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    Miword Bob yes, wheel brace it is.
    Originally posted by DigForVictory
    That's something else that annoys me.

    Wheel nut wrench with dual size sockets
    Since when do we call it a "wrench"?
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 13th Jan 19, 12:59 PM
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    Knees are useful joints but, being a simple hinge under a bony kneecap, are surprisingly easy to tackle.


    Blow/ kick to the back of the knee joint, and the hinge folds forward. It the person's weight is on that particular knee, they'll likely fall over. If their weight is on both knees, they'll still stagger and may fall.


    Blow to the outside of the knee? Bones not far under the skin and not a lot of padding. Likely to put a crimp in anyone's running style.


    Blow straight over the kneecap? Whiteout levels of pain and suffering. Stick thrust between the knees/ shin, particularly if person is in rapid motion and they're liable to take a tumble. If one got lucky they might even concuss themselves and allow ample time for scuttling away.


    A technique for particularly close quarter struggling is to trap another person's foot under your own and hip-barge them to knock them off balance, while preventing them moving said foot to recover their balance. The passive-aggressive riding school horses were very good at this one.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • nannywindow
    • By nannywindow 13th Jan 19, 2:07 PM
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    Blimey GQ I wouldn't like to meet you down a dark alley .
    I'm still playing with the vacuum sealer that Santa left I've just checked my stores and I have only one tin of toms . Sorry to let the side down and I shall now go and sit on the naughty step . Still got plenty of unopened chocs and booze though
    Failure is simply the opportunity to begin again, but this time more intelligently
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 13th Jan 19, 2:44 PM
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    Knees are useful joints but, being a simple hinge under a bony kneecap, are surprisingly easy to tackle.
    ...
    A technique for particularly close quarter struggling is to trap another person's foot under your own and hip-barge them to knock them off balance, while preventing them moving said foot to recover their balance. The passive-aggressive riding school horses were very good at this one.
    Originally posted by GreyQueen
    Also by the laidback Shire horses of my acquaintance. I’m unwilling to thump them with tools.

    Love Miss Congeniality (girly funny film) & SING - stands for solar plexus, instep (foot), nose and groin...

    Watch it sometime? Funny & may come in handy..
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 13th Jan 19, 3:15 PM
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    Blimey GQ I wouldn't like to meet you down a dark alley .
    I'm still playing with the vacuum sealer that Santa left I've just checked my stores and I have only one tin of toms . Sorry to let the side down and I shall now go and sit on the naughty step . Still got plenty of unopened chocs and booze though
    Originally posted by nannywindow
    I don't go down alleys, dark or otherwise. But I'm a puddytat unless very much crossed, in which case all's fair (I have health problems which mean running away fast isn't going to happen). I'd only hit you if you tried to hit me first (and missed, hopefully).

    In the past 24 hours, an acquaintance of mine (male, able-bodied, about 30) was walking down a pretty benign alleyway in a pretty benign neighbourhood in broad daylight. He saw two persons some distance ahead of him engaged in what appeared at first glance to be drug-related activity.

    He decided a 180 degree turn was prudent, to remove any possibility of definately seeing anything they might not want to be seen. He didn't expect the female to come after him with effing and jeffing and demanding to know who he was phoning (he was not on his phone, he was listening to music). Then her male companion caught up, there was some more effing and jeffing, the guy swung him around and punched him in the face.

    This was reported to the Police at the time it happened, when the perpetrators were still on the scene. Sorry, too busy, they're planning to interview him about it 72 hours after the event. Fat.lot.of.good. etc

    My takeaways;

    1. Stay out of even benign(ish) alleyways.
    2. Do not walk around the streets listening to music.
    3. Be the Wise Monkey - see nothing. Conspiciously nothing.
    4. The Police are mainly a crime-recording organisation. They cannot and will not protect you from crime.*


    * This one has been an observable truth in my part of the forest for many years.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 13th Jan 19, 3:57 PM
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    Good lord, GQ, thats appalling! Food for thought, actually - there's a *lot* of footpaths in my town, not alleys, but footpaths, i.e. much narrower than alleyways. Lighting is often pretty grim, and not using them often means a detour - sometimes 5 minutes, sometimes more.

    Makes me think about what your friend did ... if he'd carried on walking towards them, I wonder how they'd have reacted?
    Downsized and paid off mortgage 2010
    Retired August 2016
    Paid off French mortgage September 2018
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jan 19, 4:20 PM
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    Blimey GQ I wouldn't like to meet you down a dark alley
    Originally posted by nannywindow
    That's where we differ.

    I'm still playing with the vacuum sealer that Santa left
    Kinky.

    Mind you don't do a Howard Wolowitz.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb627xDlqBs
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 13th Jan 19, 5:28 PM
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    Makes me think about what your friend did ... if he'd carried on walking towards them, I wonder how they'd have reacted?
    Originally posted by Karmacat
    That's the 10, 000 dollar queston, isn't it? He was put on the spot and made a decision quickly and it ended badly. If he'd walked right past them, it might have ended no differently.


    Due to the layout of my block of flats, the approaches always involve going around blind corners where druggie ne'redowells might be and up to all sorts. Had an incident 24 hrs ago when I had to pick my way between three right looking herberts and their staffy which was sprawled underfoot. The only way to avoid it, once having seen them, would have to be turning right around and walking about 50 yards around the block, to bring myself out just the other side of them and in plain view. Not exactly an inconspicious thing to do.


    I went quietly past them with no eye contact and no looking back over my shoulder as if trying to memorise their faces. It's helped by being a midlife woman and thus technically invisible.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jan 19, 8:46 PM
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    I've just replaced my Mini oven, which I've had for about 10 years.

    It's had a redesign, which makes it easier to clean, as you can see from the images below (old design first).

    What also occurred to me is, given it's low power consumption (which makes it cheap to run), it could probably be run from a moderately sized generator.
    Last edited by Bedsit Bob; 13-01-2019 at 8:57 PM.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • nannywindow
    • By nannywindow 13th Jan 19, 8:50 PM
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    Bedsit Bob ......... behave yourself !!
    Failure is simply the opportunity to begin again, but this time more intelligently
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jan 19, 9:04 PM
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    Bedsit Bob ......... behave yourself !!
    Originally posted by nannywindow
    What will you do to me, if I don't?
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • nannywindow
    • By nannywindow 13th Jan 19, 9:16 PM
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    I'll set GQ on you as she knows all the best places
    Failure is simply the opportunity to begin again, but this time more intelligently
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jan 19, 9:24 PM
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    I'll set GQ on you as she knows all the best places
    Originally posted by nannywindow
    Is that a threat, or a promise?
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 13th Jan 19, 10:12 PM
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    I've the Beko analogue of that to my right. With bonus grill. Sourced from when the old Scout hut was felled to allow the new one to be built, so comfortably over a decade old & still going fine.
    My only observation would be put it at a height where you can see both the grill & what's on the rings.

    In electricity power cuts, we just hauled out the camping gas setup & made porridge on that.

    Bob, remember GQ is technically invisible. You'd only realise as the contusions appeared...
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jan 19, 10:54 PM
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    TBH, I rarely use the rings anymore.

    Most of my pan cooking is done on my single induction hob.
    And I'll be swapping that for a double one, next time the have any in.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
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