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    • Marvel1
    • By Marvel1 10th Nov 18, 1:13 AM
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    Jury service pre booked annual leave
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    • 10th Nov 18, 1:13 AM
    Jury service pre booked annual leave 10th Nov 18 at 1:13 AM
    Just received a summons for jury duty

    The dates selected is a date I have off booked annual leave - not going anywhere (great bloody timing).

    What happens in this situation in regards to leave with employer?

    Edit: Damn it I forgot to mention somethimg to late in the hour when I posted.

    In regards to my pre booked leave, i sort of have to use it as I have too much and my new entitlement starts while my last day leaves ends - am I making sense?

    I don't to want to waste my leave hanging around all day in court.

    I don't mind referring to a new date but as i have not booked a holiday, it's awkard.
    Last edited by Marvel1; 10-11-2018 at 8:54 AM.
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    • xapprenticex
    • By xapprenticex 10th Nov 18, 5:09 AM
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    cancel the leave
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 10th Nov 18, 8:25 AM
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    • 10th Nov 18, 8:25 AM
    But bear in mind that jurors aren't entitled to paid leave from their employers - and the allowance paid for loss of earnings may not cover your actual wage unless you are on a lower income. Alternatively, at this stage, you may be able to tell the jury service that your are on holiday - I don't think they require evidence - and ask for a deferment.
    • nicechap
    • By nicechap 10th Nov 18, 8:31 AM
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    • 10th Nov 18, 8:31 AM
    Read the form carefully, it tells you what to do if you can't attend. You will be re-allocated another slot to do your service.

    Do not just not turn up without telling them, you may find yourself in contempt and fined or worse.

    Enjoy the experience, bring a book or similar to occupy the downtime waiting for cases.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
    • JReacher1
    • By JReacher1 10th Nov 18, 8:39 AM
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    • 10th Nov 18, 8:39 AM
    Most companies will pay you for attending jury service so check your policy and if they do then cancel your leave and enjoy the experience.

    I always believe it is your civic duty to do jury service when asked, and people shouldn’t try and get out of it.
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 10th Nov 18, 8:43 AM
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    • 10th Nov 18, 8:43 AM
    Simples, you've just won an exciting survival staycation with a forumite here on MSE & are expected to show up in Lancashire for the hands-on experience you've won.

    There, holiday 'booked'. As someone who also gets into use it or loose it leave situations, you have my absolute & practical sympathy. PM me if you need anything printing & posting?!

    As it happens, I agree w JReacher, but I take your point about leave as being equally valid & I don't think jury service is as reliably restful as some think. Eyes various fraud cases which ran for months etc - you the juror don't get to chose!
    Last edited by DigForVictory; 10-11-2018 at 8:45 AM.
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 10th Nov 18, 8:50 AM
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    I agree with sangie - tell them you are on annual leave and they will re-allocate you.


    But I also agree with jd reacher that it is a public duty and not to be evaded uneccesarily.
    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 10th Nov 18, 8:53 AM
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    • 10th Nov 18, 8:53 AM
    Damn it I forgot to mention somethimg to late in the hour when I posted.

    In regards to my pre booked leave, i sort of have to use it as I have too much and my new entitlement starts while my last day leaves ends - am I making sense?

    I don't to want to waste my leave hanging around all day in court.

    I don't mind referring to a new date but as i have not booked a holiday abroad, it's awkard.
    Originally posted by cjdavies
    You can reply online - there should be a blue leaflet included with your letter - https://www.gov.uk/reply-jury-summons

    I was called for jury service last month but I'm unable to attend due to lack of pre/post school childcare. I completed the online form and received a letter about two weeks later confirming that I have been excused from serving. I was not asked to provide any supporting evidence.
    • clairec79
    • By clairec79 10th Nov 18, 9:16 AM
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    I was called whilst on maternity leave (in actual fact was called for when I was 39 weeks pregnant), I replied with the dates of my maternity leave and they rearranged it for about a month after the end date I'd given them.

    Bear in mind if it's deferred once it can't be deferred again (because my work tried to get it put off and couldn't)
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 10th Nov 18, 10:38 AM
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    Most companies will pay you for attending jury service so check your policy and if they do then cancel your leave and enjoy the experience.

    I always believe it is your civic duty to do jury service when asked, and people shouldn’t try and get out of it.
    Originally posted by JReacher1
    Really? Can you evidence that? Because in my experience that tends to apply only to public sector employers and one or two others. In my experience most employers don't give full pay for jury service. I believe that it costs something like £2k a day per sitting court, which is a lot more than a few bus fairs and lunch for each juror.

    In the public sector your are paid full pay, but must claim the allowances and reimburse the employer for them, or you don't get paid in full.
    • JReacher1
    • By JReacher1 10th Nov 18, 10:54 AM
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    Really? Can you evidence that? Because in my experience that tends to apply only to public sector employers and one or two others. In my experience most employers don't give full pay for jury service. I believe that it costs something like £2k a day per sitting court, which is a lot more than a few bus fairs and lunch for each juror.

    In the public sector your are paid full pay, but must claim the allowances and reimburse the employer for them, or you don't get paid in full.
    Originally posted by sangie595
    Seriously how do you expect me to provide proof of this? Do you want me to hand over the company handbook for every company in the UK?

    As I said in my post the OP should check their company policy which is perfectly sensible advice, but as normal for some reason you want to start an argument about the use of the word "most". You want to chill a bit really!

    I will clarify my comment just to appease you! Every company I have worked for in the private sector has always paid you when you are doing jury service. In addition all of my friends who have done Jury service have still been paid by their private sector company.

    Finally the official government advice is that "many employers do pay you when you do Jury Service"

    https://www.gov.uk/giving-staff-time-off-jury-service/paying-staff-on-jury-service

    I accept "many" has a different meaning to "most" but it is the best I can do!
    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 10th Nov 18, 11:44 AM
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    Seriously how do you expect me to provide proof of this? Do you want me to hand over the company handbook for every company in the UK?

    As I said in my post the OP should check their company policy which is perfectly sensible advice, but as normal for some reason you want to start an argument about the use of the word "most". You want to chill a bit really!

    I will clarify my comment just to appease you! Every company I have worked for in the private sector has always paid you when you are doing jury service. In addition all of my friends who have done Jury service have still been paid by their private sector company.

    Finally the official government advice is that "many employers do pay you when you do Jury Service"

    https://www.gov.uk/giving-staff-time-off-jury-service/paying-staff-on-jury-service

    I accept "many" has a different meaning to "most" but it is the best I can do!
    Originally posted by JReacher1
    I think the problem is most people naturally tend to assume that their experience, which is often in one field of work, applies across the board.

    Another example we see regularly on here is people suggesting that bland minimal references are the norm. They may be in many fields, perhaps the majority, who knows? However they are not the norm in my field of work and indeed quite a few other areas.

    As an aside, it is interesting how many employees feel their employer should "carry the can" for so many of life's eventualities! As has been said jury service is a civic duty for which, rightly or wrongly, the government has decreed that only limited financial compensation will be made. Whether the individual or their employer should end up out of pocket is an interesting debate. Personally, perhaps influenced by having been self employed for a significant part of my working life, I feel individuals should take more personal responsibility.
    • General Grant
    • By General Grant 10th Nov 18, 12:06 PM
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    I'd turn up for jury service, use the holiday (and therefore be paid full amount) and possibly have no service to do after day 1.
    • Marvel1
    • By Marvel1 10th Nov 18, 6:06 PM
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    I'd turn up for jury service, use the holiday (and therefore be paid full amount) and possibly have no service to do after day 1.
    Originally posted by General Grant
    *fingers crossed*

    Im going to apply to defer as happy to do any other date, not sure if employer pays for jury service but happy to scarifice the wage than do/use annual leave in court.

    Will keep you updated on outcome.
    • Savvy_Sue
    • By Savvy_Sue 10th Nov 18, 6:19 PM
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    Just to add our experience, DS2 was called to jury service here soon after he'd started a new job and moved to London. It's not commutable, and of course if he'd come home to do it, then he wouldn't have been able to go to work for any odd days he wasn't needed.

    One quick phone call, and his service was moved to the Old Bailey ...

    So, the OP has applied to defer, but for anyone else coming along later to read this thread, best advice is to read the information you're sent and contact the court if there are problems. Always bearing in mind that you can't just defer repeatedly.
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    • andydownes123
    • By andydownes123 12th Nov 18, 9:57 AM
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    I agree with sangie - tell them you are on annual leave and they will re-allocate you.

    Originally posted by Manxman in exile

    They may not. Friend of mine, a teacher, got summoned over Summer holiday - lost over half of it because he hadn't booked anything.

    I've been lucky enough to do it twice. Loved it both times. Terrible for the self-employed jurors I did it with as they forfeited two week's work. My employer paid me, but some don't.
    Last edited by andydownes123; 12-11-2018 at 9:59 AM.
    • Gavin83
    • By Gavin83 12th Nov 18, 10:20 AM
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    I've been lucky enough to do it twice. Loved it both times. Terrible for the self-employed jurors I did it with as they forfeited two week's work. My employer paid me, but some don't.
    Originally posted by andydownes123
    I'll be honest, if I were self employed I just wouldn't do it. Best case scenario (and most likely IMO) they'll do nothing. Worst case you'll get a £1000 fine which is likely to be less than the lost earnings. I understand it a 'civic duty' but it's not worth being significantly out of pocket for.
    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 12th Nov 18, 10:29 AM
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    I'll be honest, if I were self employed I just wouldn't do it. Best case scenario (and most likely IMO) they'll do nothing. Worst case you'll get a £1000 fine which is likely to be less than the lost earnings. I understand it a 'civic duty' but it's not worth being significantly out of pocket for.
    Originally posted by Gavin83
    I am not sure that is the worst case!
    • Gavin83
    • By Gavin83 12th Nov 18, 10:45 AM
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    I am not sure that is the worst case!
    Originally posted by Undervalued
    Well I'll have to disagree. Got any evidence of what you're saying?

    I'll back up my stance, with a link to the gov.uk website confirming exactly what I said: https://www.gov.uk/jury-service
    • andydownes123
    • By andydownes123 12th Nov 18, 12:13 PM
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    Well I'll have to disagree. Got any evidence of what you're saying?

    I'll back up my stance, with a link to the gov.uk website confirming exactly what I said: https://www.gov.uk/jury-service
    Originally posted by Gavin83

    I wouldn't personally get into trouble over something that you might find interesting. Yes it'll cost you in the long run, but I'd rather claim my expenses and not bring a world of hassle to my door. In my experience it was quite refreshing seeing justice in all it's glory.
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