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    • jagger86
    • By jagger86 7th Nov 18, 4:11 PM
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    enhanced DBS check and working in a school
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    • 7th Nov 18, 4:11 PM
    enhanced DBS check and working in a school 7th Nov 18 at 4:11 PM
    wondering if anyone can help with this?

    I have an informal interview for a account management/sales role next week however it involves liaising with schools. Due to this the director has told me an enhanced DBS certificate will be required, if successful.

    I haven't disclosed this yet as have not been asked officially and obviously will when the time comes but I have conviction for ABH from when I was 18. Which was over 14 years ago.

    Now from what I have read on the relevant websites this offence will not be eligible for filtering, my question is will this stop me from getting the job or going into schools??
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 7th Nov 18, 4:15 PM
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    What was the sentence?


    Whilst it might not filter; if it is spent - it helps.
    • elsien
    • By elsien 7th Nov 18, 4:20 PM
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    It could do, depending on the employer and the circumstances.

    Some employers (or rather their HR departments) don't want to take the chance and will say no regardless even if the manager is willing to give the person a go. Others will be more inclined to look at the specifics of what happened, and the amount of contact with children, before making a decision.
    Until you tell them you really have no way of knowing.
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    • jagger86
    • By jagger86 7th Nov 18, 4:44 PM
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    the sentence was community service, 100 hours I believe.

    the job spec does say "a clear dbs"

    I will obviously be declaring it but have yet to be asked officially. Just wondering if it is going to totally screw my chances up.

    The conviction was over a stupid fight when I was 18. I have not been in trouble since and never really given it a second thought as it's never been a problem! Will be gutted if this is what stops me.

    I never even thought a violent crime could stop you from ever working with children. So if I were to pursue a career as a teacher there would be no point? Not that I am going to but a few years after it happened I did start an access to HE course at college. It was never asked if I had this?
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 7th Nov 18, 4:51 PM
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    the sentence was community service, 100 hours I believe.

    the job spec does say "a clear dbs"

    I will obviously be declaring it but have yet to be asked officially. Just wondering if it is going to totally screw my chances up.

    The conviction was over a stupid fight when I was 18. I have not been in trouble since and never really given it a second thought as it's never been a problem! Will be gutted if this is what stops me.

    I never even thought a violent crime could stop you from ever working with children. So if I were to pursue a career as a teacher there would be no point? Not that I am going to but a few years after it happened I did start an access to HE course at college. It was never asked if I had this?
    Originally posted by jagger86


    So it was spent 1 year after you completed the 100 hours.


    To be honest; given the low sentence and the time spent. Many employers would ignore something like this.


    There is no blanket ban on convictions and working in / with schools. - BUT it's obviously looked into thoroughly
    • jagger86
    • By jagger86 7th Nov 18, 4:53 PM
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    So it was spent 1 year after you completed the 100 hours.


    To be honest; given the low sentence and the time spent. Many employers would ignore something like this.


    There is no blanket ban on convictions and working in / with schools. - BUT it's obviously looked into thoroughly
    Originally posted by Comms69
    Thank you. I am hoping it can be over looked. I have an informal interview/open evening then there will be official interviews. So need to cross that bridge when I get to it so to speak!

    I really want this job so been putting a lot of positive thinking into it but must admit this has threw me today when I looked into an enhanced check.
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    • General Applause
    • By General Applause 7th Nov 18, 5:01 PM
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    If you are indeed such a danger to children, why are you free to walk the streets?
    • MarkN88
    • By MarkN88 7th Nov 18, 5:21 PM
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    If you want some advice, guidance on declaring it or just some general information than use the Nacro website.

    You legally are only obliged to declare when asked, and if the question was to say “Do you have any unspent criminal convictions?” You obviously don’t now as it’s spent.

    However it will come to light because of the enhanced DBS check so your doing the right thing by declaring at interview so it’s not a total shock when the DBS comes back.
    • Les79
    • By Les79 7th Nov 18, 8:07 PM
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    If you are indeed such a danger to children, why are you free to walk the streets?
    Originally posted by General Applause
    Well, not sure what your point is there?


    For 100 hours OP wasn't "free to walk the streets" due to the community service.


    Or do you mean now? If you mean now (over 14 years ago), a quick google search (how long is life imprisonment) comes up with "In England and Wales, the average life sentence prisoner serves around 15 years before being paroled". OP wouldn't get life for ABH (maybe for manslaughter etc) and, even if they did, they'd almost certainly be out by now.


    Don't necessarily believe that OP poses a risk to children, but without the background story someone with an ABH conviction may get frustrated with a student and punch them (for example)
    Last edited by Les79; 07-11-2018 at 8:10 PM.
    • jonnygee2
    • By jonnygee2 7th Nov 18, 11:29 PM
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    I have an informal interview for a account management/sales role next week however it involves liaising with schools. Due to this the director has told me an enhanced DBS certificate will be required, if successful.
    I don't think you will be eligible for an enhanced DBS in the role you are describing. It does not sound you will be in regular contact with children or involved in regulated activity. Of course, it's impossible to challenge this at interview stage.

    I think your best bet is to declare it, sooner rather than later. They have total freedom to decide if the 'risk' level is acceptable or not. The more honest you are the less likely it is to be a problem.
    • Savvy_Sue
    • By Savvy_Sue 8th Nov 18, 9:26 PM
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    If you want some advice, guidance on declaring it or just some general information than use the Nacro website.
    Originally posted by MarkN88
    NACRO

    You legally are only obliged to declare when asked, and if the question was to say ďDo you have any unspent criminal convictions?Ē You obviously donít now as itís spent.

    However it will come to light because of the enhanced DBS check so your doing the right thing by declaring at interview so itís not a total shock when the DBS comes back.
    Originally posted by MarkN88
    Actually, interview may NOT be the right time and place to do this: it may be better to ask to speak to whoever deals with DBS matters at the employer end entirely separately from the interview.

    This is because DBS checks should be on a strictly 'need to know' basis. Your interviewers may not 'need to know'. it should never become common knowledge!

    I don't think you will be eligible for an enhanced DBS in the role you are describing. It does not sound you will be in regular contact with children or involved in regulated activity. Of course, it's impossible to challenge this at interview stage.
    Originally posted by jonnygee2
    That's true, which is another benefit of querying it outside the interview process. If you're liaising with schools, I'd expect that to be with school staff. If you have to visit schools, it would be very poor form to leave you wandering around unchaperoned.
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    • christaitfife
    • By christaitfife 9th Nov 18, 12:13 PM
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    They will likely ask something along the lines of "You will be required to undertake an Enhanced Disclosure - will anything show up?". Simply prepare a truthful response - you need to show that you are not a risk to the children or other staff, and as this role may include contact with money/ finances that you are not a risk there.

    A written response is often used...
    In 1995 (or whatever) I was sentenced to XXX, for XXX. I continue to be regretful of my actions on that day and have committed myself to upholding a lawful and moral life. I have done this by X, Y and Z.

    There are a few organisations that will be able to offer support in this - thy Citizens Advice, Unlock or the Job Centre (not that the Job Centre is ever any use at anything!.)

    Good luck
    • Fireflyaway
    • By Fireflyaway 9th Nov 18, 8:05 PM
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    In my organisation all employees and volunteers to through enhanced dbs checks as we work with kids and vulnerable adults. Obviously if someone were on the barred list they wouldn't be hired but with convictions each case is decided on its own merits. How long ago it was, was it a one off or a series of convictions. How old you were, we're there aggravating factors, how long was the sentence ( if applicable) or what was the punishment etc. What is your attitude towards what you did and what have you been doing with your life since.
    My advice is mention it rather than let them find it. Explain what happened and be open about your feelings. Do you feel remorse or are you ashamed? What would you do now if you found yourself in the same circumstances? Reassure them that you have moved on.
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