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    • Deastons
    • By Deastons 6th Nov 18, 7:00 PM
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    Are National Express drivers trained to stay in the middle lane?
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    • 6th Nov 18, 7:00 PM
    Are National Express drivers trained to stay in the middle lane? 6th Nov 18 at 7:00 PM
    I first noticed it a few months ago - every time I see a National Express coach on the motorway, it's in the middle lane. I've now seen it far too much for it to be a coincidence.

    Lane 1 can be completely empty for as far as the eye can see, but the the coach will be sitting in lane 2 at a steady 65mph-ish.

    These are professional drivers, so I can't believe it's just lazy lane hogging. So do National Express train their drivers to stay in lane 2? Is there some sort of safety aspect? A coach is carrying up to 50-odd people after all.
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    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 7th Nov 18, 3:46 PM
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    Well it seems no-one actually knows the answer.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    You got an answer: they don't.
    • Merlin139
    • By Merlin139 7th Nov 18, 4:36 PM
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    So when you are observing these Buses which lane are you occupying in your VW Van or your C class Merc or your other car.

    Are you also still worried about your increase in Insurance due to being rear ended? Did you spend the £100 to get your van serviced? Not sure why you were concerned about the cost when it would be an expense to your limited company?

    I take it you don't have to think about starting your pension now and you have managed to find an accountant who can give you proper financial advice.

    As this has been bothering you for a couple of months maybe you could ask this on a Forum for Bus and Coach drivers.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 7th Nov 18, 4:50 PM
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    They are. Which is why I'm in search of facts rather than relying on my assumption.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    What makes you think you will find facts on an internet message board? You will find only opinions by and large - in my opinion, of course.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 7th Nov 18, 4:55 PM
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    You'll notice it now!

    There must be a reason. They're professional, trained drivers (I assume). They should know more than anyone the fact it's illegal to hog the middle lane, so I can only assume they take that chance because they're told by head office to do it because it's safer or something.

    Surely there's a NE driver on this forum...
    Originally posted by Deastons
    Slight pedant hat on here, but can you point me to the actual legislation you are referring to here? By that I don't mean a link to The Sun or the Daily Fail or some other tabloid publication. It is one of the things that the police will look at in regard to DWDCA, but it isn't, despite what the papers say a separate offence. It is an interpretive fault of driving that may put the driver facing an accusation of their driving falling below the standard of a careful driver, but it isn't a slam dunk.

    As 'hogging' is a subjective term, you cannot simply describe it as illegal. It's not as black and white as being above the posted speed limit.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 7th Nov 18, 6:09 PM
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    Most of the newer limos are required to be fitted with a 62mph speed limiter.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    As I said it doesn't stop them using lane 3.
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    • Deastons
    • By Deastons 8th Nov 18, 9:01 AM
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    So when you are observing these Buses which lane are you occupying in your VW Van or your C class Merc or your other car.
    Originally posted by Merlin139
    Depends. Usually as I move from lane 1 to 3 to overtake them.

    Are you also still worried about your increase in Insurance due to being rear ended? Did you spend the £100 to get your van serviced? Not sure why you were concerned about the cost when it would be an expense to your limited company?
    Originally posted by Merlin139
    Not sure what any of that has to do with National Express coaches...

    I take it you don't have to think about starting your pension now and you have managed to find an accountant who can give you proper financial advice.
    Originally posted by Merlin139
    Again, not sure what this has to do with my question. I'm kind of confused why you've bothered to go trawling back over my previous threads.

    As this has been bothering you for a couple of months maybe you could ask this on a Forum for Bus and Coach drivers.
    Originally posted by Merlin139
    I'm not a member of a forum for bus and coach drivers, but thanks for the suggestion.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 8th Nov 18, 11:04 AM
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    I'm not a member of a forum for bus and coach drivers, but thanks for the suggestion.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    So why not join one and ask the question there? Or are you too scared you won't be liked very much?
    • Deastons
    • By Deastons 8th Nov 18, 2:21 PM
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    So why not join one and ask the question there? Or are you too scared you won't be liked very much?
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    Because I'm not a bus or coach driver.
    • reeac
    • By reeac 8th Nov 18, 2:52 PM
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    I first noticed it a few months ago - every time I see a National Express coach on the motorway, it's in the middle lane. I've now seen it far too much for it to be a coincidence.

    Lane 1 can be completely empty for as far as the eye can see, but the the coach will be sitting in lane 2 at a steady 65mph-ish.

    These are professional drivers, so I can't believe it's just lazy lane hogging. So do National Express train their drivers to stay in lane 2? Is there some sort of safety aspect? A coach is carrying up to 50-odd people after all.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    I'd love to find one of these motorways with an empty lane 1. On the motorways that I use that lane is always nose to tail with big lorries with lane 2 being not much better.
    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 8th Nov 18, 4:55 PM
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    HGV's are now allowed to travel at 60mph on motorways
    Originally posted by hollie.weimeraner
    HGVs have always been allowed to travel at 60MPH on motorways. That was the speed limit for HGVs on motorways when I passed my test in the early 90s. What happened was that speed limiters became mandatory for all HGVs registered after 1/1/1988 and over time the ones without limiters reached end of life so you only see ones with limiters fitted. Thanks to us being in the EU the limit they had to be set to was 90KPH/56MPH. The UK speed limit for HGVs on motorways never changed.
    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 8th Nov 18, 4:57 PM
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    As I said it doesn't stop them using lane 3.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    Yeah actually it does. If it is fitted with a speed limiter it isn't allowed in the outside lane of a 3 or more lane wide motorway.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 8th Nov 18, 5:03 PM
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    Thanks to us being in the EU the limit they had to be set to was 90KPH/56MPH.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    Even post-Brexit, 90kph limiters will still be a factor for UK trucks - not least because any truck that's ever going to work within the EU will still need one.


    They're legally required by the EU for trucks operating within the EU, not just registered within. If you travel within mainland EU, you'll see a lot of wagons from a lot of "exotic" countries that never come to the UK, due to visa restrictions on drivers. Iran, Russia, Bielorussia - all common. All will be 90kph limited.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 8th Nov 18, 6:45 PM
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    Thanks to us being in the EU the limit they had to be set to was 90KPH/56MPH. The UK speed limit for HGVs on motorways never changed.
    Originally posted by Tarambor

    In 2010 -
    The government wants the maximum speed limit for heavy goods vehicles up to 7.5 tonnes to be lowered from 70 to 60mph, and minibuses from 70 to 65mph.


    Our own Government do make rules too, although they are so incompetant, it probably never happened.



    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8493905.stm

    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 8th Nov 18, 6:48 PM
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    "Up to 7.5t"
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 8th Nov 18, 9:01 PM
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    Yeah actually it does. If it is fitted with a speed limiter it isn't allowed in the outside lane of a 3 or more lane wide motorway.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    I'll say it again it doesn't stop them.

    I've never said it was legal.
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    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 9th Nov 18, 5:46 PM
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    Because I'm not a bus or coach driver.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    You don't need to be. But if you are expecting a more accurate answer to your inane question, you need a better source.
    • Deastons
    • By Deastons 9th Nov 18, 6:18 PM
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    You don't need to be. But if you are expecting a more accurate answer to your inane question, you need a better source.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    Which makes me wonder why a load of people have bothered replying to this thread when they have no idea about the answer.

    Not impossible that a National Express driver could be a member of this forum.
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 9th Nov 18, 6:23 PM
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    Which makes me wonder why a load of people have bothered replying to this thread when they have no idea about the answer.
    Originally posted by Deastons

    On the contrary, we all know the answer is "No".


    But we all have better things to do than waste time and effort in researching chapter and verse in response to your inane question.
    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 9th Nov 18, 6:32 PM
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    In 2010 -

    The government wants the maximum speed limit for heavy goods vehicles up to 7.5 tonnes to be lowered from 70 to 60mph, and minibuses from 70 to 65mph.
    Our own Government do make rules too, although they are so incompetant, it probably never happened.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    Goods Vehicles UP TO 7.5T which means vans and those dinky trucks that can be driven on a car license if you passed your test before 1997.

    The speed limit for goods vehicles OVER 7.5t was and still is 60MPH.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 9th Nov 18, 7:12 PM
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    Which makes me wonder why a load of people have bothered replying to this thread when they have no idea about the answer.

    Not impossible that a National Express driver could be a member of this forum.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    Think about your question.

    Do you think National Express will have a policy to train drivers to breach Section 3 of the Road Traffic Act?
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