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    • skeenw
    • By skeenw 29th Oct 18, 10:48 AM
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    Initiative Q
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    • 29th Oct 18, 10:48 AM
    Initiative Q 29th Oct 18 at 10:48 AM
    I've seen loads of Posts on Facebook recently about Initiative Q.

    I'm extremely sceptical about this and have not signed up. But I can see that several of my FB friends have signed up, many of whom I consider to be savvy and worldly-wise.

    What do you make of this Initiative?
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    • scaredofdebt
    • By scaredofdebt 6th Nov 18, 12:25 PM
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    But I can pay in all the above already by using google pay or Apple Pay or using a PayPal app.

    What is so different about this that gives it an edge and uniqueness that will ensure a huge take up and make it a success .

    That's the part I don't get
    Originally posted by Browntoa
    What's unique about Apple Pay, Google Pay, Paypal etc?

    The "uniqueness" for Q is the fact that they are giving them away to early adopters and will try to keep the value stable, that is a pro and a con.

    Other than that, everything that applies to Bitcoin.

    It may well amount to nothing, but then again it may amount to something.
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    • scaredofdebt
    • By scaredofdebt 6th Nov 18, 12:28 PM
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    Its those who are hoping its a get rich quick scheme who are likening it to Bitcoin.
    The organisers only refer to Bitcoin to point out how different it is and not alike at all.
    They intend to regulate the supply of money such that the exchange rate stays at a constant $1. That being so, there will be no point buying in the hope it will be worth $1,000 of $10,000 in the future.
    Also they intend to develop a payment network which will replace the cash in your pocket and the credit/debit cards for your local shop, supermarket or online store.
    You can't actually buy much at all with Bitcoin apart from maybe a line of cocaine, an AK47, a lap dance or a hitman.
    Originally posted by Tom99
    "Over 100,000 merchants worldwide accept bitcoin. Notable ones include Microsoft and Expedia, as well as the online electronics retailer Newegg."

    You can easily change Bitcoin into cash, ie dollars so you can buy whatever you want with it.
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    • mrsyardbroom
    • By mrsyardbroom 6th Nov 18, 8:15 PM
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    Martin Lewis has an article on Initiative Q in his October news. He says

    The claims that it will have $20 trillion in transactions a year seem more far-fetched than me winning the next Rear of the Year contest (though neither are impossible).
    Here's a link to the article. https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2018/10/initiative-q/
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    • Kayalana99
    • By Kayalana99 7th Nov 18, 7:09 AM
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    Well all I know is I'd rather take a slight chance of signing up that nothing might come of it, then be sat here in 10 years going Dam if only I'd signed up when I had the chance.
    People don't know what they want until you show them.
    • dave2319
    • By dave2319 7th Nov 18, 2:47 PM
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    https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/9r6fw9/warning_on_initiative_q_trojan/
    Originally posted by Browntoa
    Thanks, Browntoa, and here's a couple of good articles I found there from a crypto author:
    https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2018/10/24/initiative-q-is-doing-the-rounds-again-and-heres-qs-economist-on-bitcoin/
    https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2018/06/24/initiative-q-a-non-crypto-private-currency-marketed-by-pyramid-scheme/
    who says:

    "The purpose of the user list is so they can tell venture capitalists, “we have a user base of X million people, you should fund us.” The trouble is it’s a list of people who think you can get free money from pyramid-style marketing. This means they’re hot prospects for future scammers."

    "Any number of disreputable people and companies would throw their hats in the air at getting hold of a database like this. Affinity fraud loves this sort of list of pre-screened suckers.
    Advertising trackers on the Initiative Q site include Facebook and Google Tag Manager — so these ad networks will also have categorised you as someone susceptible to this sort of pitch. So if you signed up, you’re marked as a prime target for more pitches of this sort in the future."

    And he adds: "I think the chances are almost zero that you will get anything worth anything from signing up. You might get targeted by future spammers, though. Also, please stop spamming referral links."
    • Browntoa
    • By Browntoa 7th Nov 18, 5:14 PM
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    Referral links removed

    Not allowed to be posted here
    I'm the Board Guide of the Referrers ,Telephones, Pensions , Shop Don't drop ,over 50's , Boost your income and Discount Code boards which means I volunteer to help get your forum questions answered and keep the forum runnning smoothly .However, please remember, board guides don't read every post. If you spot an inappropriate or illegal post please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com Any views are mine and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.
    • swindiff
    • By swindiff 8th Nov 18, 12:31 PM
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    No it's not. See previous post.
    • Browntoa
    • By Browntoa 8th Nov 18, 12:41 PM
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    And someone's ignorant post right after mine deleted yet again

    Stop spamming your referral here

    Post once only in this thread

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5912997
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    • Kayalana99
    • By Kayalana99 9th Nov 18, 6:16 PM
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    Thanks, Browntoa, and here's a couple of good articles I found there from a crypto author:
    https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2018/10/24/initiative-q-is-doing-the-rounds-again-and-heres-qs-economist-on-bitcoin/
    https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2018/06/24/initiative-q-a-non-crypto-private-currency-marketed-by-pyramid-scheme/
    who says:


    "Any number of disreputable people and companies would throw their hats in the air at getting hold of a database like this. Affinity fraud loves this sort of list of pre-screened suckers.
    Advertising trackers on the Initiative Q site include Facebook and Google Tag Manager — so these ad networks will also have categorised you as someone susceptible to this sort of pitch. So if you signed up, you’re marked as a prime target for more pitches of this sort in the future."
    "
    Originally posted by dave2319
    I've never heard of this site, but this is one guys opinion. I would put money on this, that most of the people who are joining / referring are tech savvy or financially savvy people who are hoping for a pay off down the line.

    Anyone who isn't 'smart' and doesn't understand 'these things' will tend not to do it.

    I've seen these links spammed all over my facebook. From friends? No.

    Every single one I have seen have been in coding groups, website groups or basically anything techie based that I'm in. These are the people seeing the potential in this.

    To imply that this list is full of people who are more likely to get scammed is just not true, as the people who are likely to get scammed / click on links / get sucked into marketing schemes - aren't spending time on things like 'Bitcoin' type ideas.

    You can also buy email lists from everywhere these days anyway. Data is sold on the dark web for cheaper then you buy a chocolate bar down the shop. If you actually put into context the limited data IQ would be selling for what its worth on it's data value, to the effort and money that has gone into it...I'd be highly suprized if a profit could even be turned if they were acting illegally.
    People don't know what they want until you show them.
    • Loki11
    • By Loki11 28th Nov 18, 9:38 AM
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    To merge
    All please avoid Initiative Q, it is 100% scam trust me! And who is posting links for Initiative Q is a big scammer
    • KevinG
    • By KevinG 28th Nov 18, 1:14 PM
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    All please avoid Initiative Q, it is 100% scam trust me! And who is posting links for Initiative Q is a big scammer
    Originally posted by Loki11
    Evidence? Who exactly is being "scammed"? Who has lost money?
    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2018/10/initiative-q/
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    • bowlhead99
    • By bowlhead99 28th Nov 18, 1:29 PM
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    All please avoid Initiative Q, it is 100% scam trust me! And who is posting links for Initiative Q is a big scammer
    Originally posted by Loki11
    You have only been on the site a short time but your several posts so far have been to tell us in broken English that you have only been researching crypto for a couple of weeks and to label a couple of things scams. I expect you are just pretending to be helpful to build your post count to a level where you allowed to post links to your own spam or scams.
    • Nardge
    • By Nardge 2nd Dec 18, 10:31 AM
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    I've read through the various Initiative Q Threads. It was very enlightening to read peoples' various perspectives on it. On balance I think there's no harm in joining, and I thank Kayalana99 for providing valid counterarguments to the critics... Fingers-crossed!
    Last edited by Nardge; 02-12-2018 at 10:45 AM.
    • Browntoa
    • By Browntoa 16th Dec 18, 10:13 AM
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    Seems to have gone a bit quiet

    Wikipedia article on it

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative_Q
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    • MothballsWallet
    • By MothballsWallet 16th Dec 18, 2:22 PM
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    Nothing as far as I can see. They are going to stitch together existing technology in a way nobody else, for some unknown reason, has done yet.
    Originally posted by Tom99
    If no one else has done it yet, it's because:
    1. It's not possible
    2. It's not cost effective
    3. It doesn't have a large enough user base to support it
    4. The technologies involved aren't as compatible as first thought
    Always ask yourself one question: What would Gibbs do?
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