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    • kgb1
    • By kgb1 13th Oct 18, 1:55 PM
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    Help
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    • 13th Oct 18, 1:55 PM
    Help 13th Oct 18 at 1:55 PM
    I parked in a pub car park noticed a pay and display machine. Paid my pound, left pub received my refund for parking. A couple of weeks later got a 100 fine. I appealed the fine by asking why I got the fine, then was told my appeal was rejected. So now sent info to popla. I do still have my half of the parking ticket, my daughter was parked in the same car park at the same time as me , we both got tickets. The company said terms and conditions of the parking say you must input your whole registration, only the first letter printed on our tickets. I didn't think this was going to be a problem so have only just looked for help. Have I messed up will I have to pay
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    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 13th Oct 18, 2:06 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 2:06 PM
    You did not get a fine it's an invoice.

    You do realise this is a known scam!

    What happened when you complained to the pub?

    Have you read the newbies thread?
    • kgb1
    • By kgb1 13th Oct 18, 2:17 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 2:17 PM
    How and where do I find the newbies thread I've been looking, can't find where it is.
    • _shel
    • By _shel 13th Oct 18, 2:23 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 2:23 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 2:23 PM
    How and where do I find the newbies thread I've been looking, can't find where it is.
    Originally posted by Ken.barnard
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4816822
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 13th Oct 18, 4:50 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 4:50 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 4:50 PM
    How and where do I find the newbies thread I've been looking, can't find where it is.
    Originally posted by Ken.barnard
    It was just underneath where you clicked the button. It asks you to read it before starting a new thread as it contains a lot of information where most of your questions can be answered before you start.

    Definitely complain to the pub manager/owner/pub chain CEO about this unregulated scam.

    You should also read post 3 of the NEWBIES and construct a draft PoPLA appeal using all the relevant templates you will find there.


    These will normally include: -
    Not the landowner
    No standing to issue charges in their own name
    Inadequate signage
    Frustration of contract (failure of machine accept the full VRN yet still issue a ticket.)
    Non PoFA compliant NTK (only valid if you didn't reveal the driver's identity.)

    Has your daughter appealed yet? She should appeal as Keeper (never reveal the driver's identity) if she hasn't done so yet.

    Please also complain to your MP, your daughter's MP, and the MP where the pub is located if different using the information from our MP's comments in parliament in post 1 of the NEWBIES.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

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    • Redx
    • By Redx 13th Oct 18, 5:16 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 5:16 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 5:16 PM
    The company said terms and conditions of the parking say you must input your whole registration, only the first letter printed on our tickets.
    Originally posted by Ken.barnard

    WHICH COMPANY ? (full name and full acronym please)
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • kgb1
    • By kgb1 13th Oct 18, 9:31 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 9:31 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 9:31 PM
    Found the newbies bit thanks, it looks like a lot to read, I will have a look tomorrow Sunday when I have time. The company is Britannia parking.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 13th Oct 18, 9:46 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 9:46 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 9:46 PM
    Send the blue text template appeal already written for you that you'll find in post #1 of the NEWBIES thread.

    Send it unchanged - no additions or alterations necessary.

    Send it as the keeper.

    What happened when you complained to the pub?
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    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 13th Oct 18, 11:09 PM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 11:09 PM
    Found the newbies bit thanks, it looks like a lot to read, I will have a look tomorrow Sunday when I have time. The company is Britannia parking.
    Originally posted by Ken.barnard
    You and your DD who also got a PCN, both need to send a RECTIFICATION NOTICE to Britannia's DP Officer:

    They need to attach their V5C to prove who they are and ask for the DPOfficer to rectify the inaccurate data stored by their faulty PDT machine, which has led to the PCN.

    Clearly the machine is issuing PDTickets with just one number on, rather than the whole number input by drivers, and this data needs rectifying to show the actual full VRN, not least because the driver certainly did not input one letter of the VRN, it is a systems error and it's inaccurate data processing.

    All cases with any wrong VRN, at any stage, need a Recitification Notice, then an ICO complaint when the PPC refuse.
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    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 13th Oct 18, 11:13 PM
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    Ken, have you used your real name as your forum username?

    Then your really should ask MSE to change it to something totally anonymous.

    To help with that, you might like to read this short extract from The MSE Forum Guide - Frequently Asked Questions & Rules:
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    • waamo
    • By waamo 13th Oct 18, 11:20 PM
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    Click the link in blue to see the odds of going to court http://www.parkingappeals.info/companydata/Britannia_Parking_Group.html

    Given the extremely low likelihood I wouldn't pay.
    This space for hire.
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 14th Oct 18, 9:44 AM
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    Send the blue text template appeal already written for you that you'll find in post #1 of the NEWBIES thread.

    Send it unchanged - no additions or alterations necessary.

    Send it as the keeper.

    What happened when you complained to the pub?
    Originally posted by KeithP
    The OP has already appealed, and may have outed the driver in the process.

    We don't know if the DD has appealed yet.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
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    • Moak
    • By Moak 14th Oct 18, 12:07 PM
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    I have recently appealed directly to a parking company, and the ticket was cancelled straight off.
    I held on until the 21st day, ignoring the pay within 14 days bit, then emailed in my appeal, so it's worth it!
    I got all my advice from these pages, so thanks!!
    • kgb1
    • By kgb1 14th Oct 18, 5:33 PM
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    Thanks for your help, can I ask what is a rectification notice, and what is a v5c
    • Redx
    • By Redx 14th Oct 18, 5:38 PM
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    the rectification notice has come up over the GDPR 2018 data protection law

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5849784

    a V5C is the form number of your "log book"

    read your "log book" and its there as the document I.D. on the front (its the same for all of them ,yours , mine , etc)


    the DVLA sent it to you when the vehicle was bought
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • kgb1
    • By kgb1 14th Oct 18, 7:00 PM
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    My daughter and I have both already sent back are appeals to Britannia parking, and have had both rejected. We have both appealed to popla, and are waiting to hear back from them.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 14th Oct 18, 7:06 PM
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    wait for their evidence packs them


    you will have 7 days to rebut the evidence packs if BRIT havent thrown the towel in by then


    so if they submit the evidence packs you need to contruct rebuttals of 2000 characters or less (not words) to put into the popla online portal


    so at the moment you are both at the "waiting stage"
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 14th Oct 18, 7:07 PM
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    My daughter and I have both already sent back are appeals to Britannia parking, and have had both rejected. We have both appealed to popla, and are waiting to hear back from them.
    Originally posted by Ken.barnard
    In that case your thread here is premature!


    You posted as if you were at the start of the journey


    Await the outcome of your POPLA appeals!


    If unsuccessful then read up #4 in the FAQ on the debt collectors stage


    Ignore everything except a LBCCA or Court correspondence


    If and when it comes to that come back at that time for advice on how to defend


    They have 6 years to start legal action against you
    • kgb1
    • By kgb1 15th Oct 18, 8:19 PM
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    Guys I'd like to thank you all for your help and advice, at last I've managed to get hold of the landlord of the pub who tells me that she will get the tickets canx. So hopefully I'm sorted. This is the first time I've ever used anything like this before and it's been great, thanks again
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