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    • Jessicarat
    • By Jessicarat 13th Oct 18, 8:00 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 8:00 AM
    Disabled space/scotland 13th Oct 18 at 8:00 AM
    Hi, I took my 84yr old neighbour shopping at Asda yesterday and parked in a disabled space. She has a blue parking permit but we forgot to display it. Got out to discover a yellow sticker on the windscreen with a demand for £40 if paid within a fortnight. Couldnít see anyone around but if they had been observing they would clearly have seen that she is disabled as she walks with a stick. Iíve browsed the forum and tried to find answers to my problem and this is my understanding so far. As Iím in scotland I think I can ignore the Ďfineí or I can speak to the store manager to try to have it cancelled? My concern is if I do the second option then Iíll have to admit to driving the vehicle which I thought perhaps I shouldnít give my name? Any help or thoughts please would be much appreciated.
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    • waamo
    • By waamo 13th Oct 18, 8:55 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 8:55 AM
    This is Scotland so attempt a cancellation by the store. If they won't cancel then ignore all the reams of junk mail you will get unless it specifically says they are taking you to court.
    This space for hire.
    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 13th Oct 18, 8:55 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 8:55 AM
    Who issued the ticket? I'm aware that in Scotland some disabled parking spaces, even in private car parks, are patrolled and enforced by local councils under the Disabled Persons' Parking Places (Scotland) Act 2009.

    £40 also seems a bit low for the private parking cowboys we deal with on this board.
    • Jessicarat
    • By Jessicarat 13th Oct 18, 10:28 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 10:28 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 10:28 AM
    Thanks for replies! The ticket was issued by parking eye and itís £70 but £40 if paid sooner.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 13th Oct 18, 10:35 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 10:35 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 10:35 AM
    Hi, I took my 84yr old neighbour shopping at Asda yesterday and parked in a disabled space. She has a blue parking permit but we forgot to display it. Got out to discover a yellow sticker on the windscreen with a demand for £40 if paid within a fortnight. Couldnít see anyone around but if they had been observing they would clearly have seen that she is disabled as she walks with a stick. Iíve browsed the forum and tried to find answers to my problem and this is my understanding so far. As Iím in scotland I think I can ignore the Ďfineí or I can speak to the store manager to try to have it cancelled? My concern is if I do the second option then Iíll have to admit to driving the vehicle which I thought perhaps I shouldnít give my name? Any help or thoughts please would be much appreciated.
    Originally posted by Jessicarat
    NOBODY drives cars in Scotland, only the keeper does
    Why ? because in Scotland they can only go after
    the driver.
    EDIT YOUR POST AS YOU ARE THE KEEPER

    Complain to Asda, provide proof of purchases and as
    a customer request they cancel it. It's the best way
    Include a copy of the blue parking permit

    It is a cheapo charge so who does the ticket ask
    you to pay ?????
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 13th Oct 18, 10:38 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 10:38 AM
    So the advice is to ignore, file the correspondence away for reference in the unlikely event they try court (they've got 5 years in Scotland).
    • Jessicarat
    • By Jessicarat 13th Oct 18, 10:45 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 10:45 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 10:45 AM
    Thanks again guys, it’s payable to parking eye!
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 13th Oct 18, 10:50 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 10:50 AM
    Thanks again guys, itís payable to parking eye!
    Originally posted by Jessicarat
    OK, private parking ticket

    Asda is your start to get this cancelled first

    Of course you can ignore it in Scotland but you will
    get debt collector letters spouting pure rubbish which
    you don't want .... best try and get it cancelled
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • Jessicarat
    • By Jessicarat 13th Oct 18, 11:08 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 11:08 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 11:08 AM
    Thank you, I will try the store but should I give them my name as they might pass it on to parkingeye?
    • waamo
    • By waamo 13th Oct 18, 11:30 AM
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    Thank you, I will try the store but should I give them my name as they might pass it on to parkingeye?
    Originally posted by Jessicarat
    Unlikely but you could have been a passenger in the car. I doubt they would pass it on anyway.
    This space for hire.
    • Ralph-y
    • By Ralph-y 13th Oct 18, 11:39 AM
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    my insurance allows me to drive your car ... with your permission of course... .... so imagine that I was driving that day!


    you have received the invoice as keeper ....



    you can let the manager know the keepers name ....



    the important part is that a passenger is/was disabled ......


    take any receipts from that day and or any lists of monies spent over the last months ... years ....



    you could all ways spend that money else where ......


    Ralph
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 13th Oct 18, 11:54 AM
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    Be careful. Some of my MSE parking colleagues on here can sometimes be a bit cavalier. It's not always an "ignore regardless" up there.

    Sometimes, PPCs can do court in Scotland. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/parking-charge-scotland-24000-ignoring-notices-warning-a7665346.html
    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 13th Oct 18, 12:44 PM
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    Be careful. Some of my MSE parking colleagues on here can sometimes be a bit cavalier. It's not always an "ignore regardless" up there.

    Sometimes, PPCs can do court in Scotland. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/parking-charge-scotland-24000-ignoring-notices-warning-a7665346.html
    Originally posted by Guys Dad
    Scaremongering nonsense. I'm sure the OP isn't going to rack up tens of thousands of pounds worth of tickets or more importantly disclose who was driving.
    • pogofish
    • By pogofish 13th Oct 18, 12:47 PM
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    Who issued the ticket? I'm aware that in Scotland some disabled parking spaces, even in private car parks, are patrolled and enforced by local councils under the Disabled Persons' Parking Places (Scotland) Act 2009.

    £40 also seems a bit low for the private parking cowboys we deal with on this board.
    Originally posted by Johno100
    The vast majority of private spaces regulated under the DPPPSA are in the residential context, with only a tiny number in retail car parks.

    And as the OP has a ticket from Parking Eye, not a local council, I think we are safe to assume this isn't one of them.

    The OP also needs to remember that Blue Badges do not apply in private car parks - Its the Equality Act that matters and that applies to all suitably disabled people regardless of badge.

    So a strong complaint to the store about their failing to provide a reasonable adjustment and reminding them that they are jointly and severally liable with the PPC for any breach of the Equality Act is the only way to go.
    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 13th Oct 18, 12:50 PM
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    The vast majority of private spaces regulated under the DPPPSA are in the residential context, with only a tiny number in retail car parks.

    And as the OP has a ticket from Parking Eye, not a local council, I think we are safe to assume this isn't one of them.


    The OP also needs to remember that Blue Badges do not apply in private car parks - Its the Equality Act that matters and that applies to all suitably disabled people regardless of badge.

    So a strong complaint to the store about their failing to provide a reasonable adjustment and reminding them that they are jointly and severally liable with the PPC for any breach of the Equality Act is the only way to go.
    Originally posted by pogofish
    We now know that, we didn't when I posted.
    • pogofish
    • By pogofish 13th Oct 18, 12:52 PM
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    Be careful. Some of my MSE parking colleagues on here can sometimes be a bit cavalier. It's not always an "ignore regardless" up there.

    Sometimes, PPCs can do court in Scotland. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/parking-charge-scotland-24000-ignoring-notices-warning-a7665346.html
    Originally posted by Guys Dad
    Nope - The reason that happened at all was because the lady concerned had actively engaged with the PPC, identified herself as the driver and effectively admitted it all.

    Also, the number of tickets and sum of money concerned made it viable for the PPC to pursue it via the Sheriff Courts, instead of Small Claims but if she had not admitted to being the driver, bringing an action on either track would have been next to impossible.
    • pogofish
    • By pogofish 13th Oct 18, 12:55 PM
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    We now know that, we didn't when I posted.
    Originally posted by Johno100
    True but considering just how few retail spaces there are...

    I think we have only seen one or at the most two of those tickets here since the act came-in?
    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 13th Oct 18, 1:07 PM
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    True but considering just how few retail spaces there are...

    I think we have only seen one or at the most two of those tickets here since the act came-in?
    Originally posted by pogofish
    Best to cover all bases don't you agree?
    • Jessicarat
    • By Jessicarat 13th Oct 18, 3:12 PM
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    Thanks a lot for all the helpful answers. Iíve been on the phone to the store and was advised to call in and speak to customer services which I canít do till Monday now but Iíll update with how I get on. They did sound sympathetic and very surprised, said itís the first case theyíve heard of at their store!!!
    • pogofish
    • By pogofish 13th Oct 18, 3:57 PM
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    I'd like to be proved wrong but the general experience on this forum is that stores customer services are utterly useless when it comes to dealing with private parking tickets as they are far too low in the food chain to actually do anything about getting tickets cancelled. Also remember that PPCs do predate on store staff as well.

    Sympathy and promises mean nothing compared to a hard-copy letter of cancellation.

    More normally, you should be heating the ears of someone at managerial level and do not hesitate to escalate the matter to head office or MD level if the store can't resolve it.
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