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    • cherryblossomzel
    • By cherryblossomzel 13th Oct 18, 7:26 AM
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    Smart home 13th Oct 18 at 7:26 AM
    Is anyone using any smart home systems? I'm already using a couple of Amazon Alexa speakers and have an Amazon Fire TV stick. I'm also thinking about installing some lights that can be controlled via Alexa (Philips Hue??) and either Hive or Nest for heating control, via Alexa of course.

    Does anyone have any advice or insights to give?

    Thanks!!
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    • Browntoa
    • By Browntoa 13th Oct 18, 7:34 AM
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    Maybe avoid the Yale smart lock ...

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6268379/People-locked-houses-Yale-smart-security-crashes.html
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    • cherryblossomzel
    • By cherryblossomzel 13th Oct 18, 7:41 AM
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    Oh dear. Although in the article they say the doors can be opened in other ways?

    I do think some of that is probably hysterical tabloid reporting.
    • Browntoa
    • By Browntoa 13th Oct 18, 7:59 AM
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    The point is that nothings totally reliable , hives also had problems in the past with updates
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    • cherryblossomzel
    • By cherryblossomzel 13th Oct 18, 8:47 AM
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    Absolutely. But the same is true for non-smart things. Normal door locks break too, or the people who use them leave their keys in hotel rooms hundreds of miles away (not speaking from personal experience or anything ).
    • elsien
    • By elsien 13th Oct 18, 8:53 AM
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    Absolutely. But the same is true for non-smart things. Normal door locks break too, or the people who use them leave their keys in hotel rooms hundreds of miles away (not speaking from personal experience or anything ).
    Originally posted by cherryblossomzel
    Also not speaking from personal experience but key safes can address that "oh !!!!!!" moment when you hear the door click behind you whilst frantically patting pockets.

    I've no experience of the systems - my initial thoughts would be about how easy/difficult to install discretely (and where). And do I want Amazon linked in with everything.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • Gers
    • By Gers 13th Oct 18, 9:58 AM
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    I've got smart TP link light bulbs and smart plugs around the house. They are controlled by Alexa linked to the Kasa app. I find them / it extremely useful.

    My setup will be regarded as at the extreme low level of what's possible. Suits me.
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 13th Oct 18, 10:03 AM
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    • 13th Oct 18, 10:03 AM
    Is anyone using any smart home systems? I'm already using a couple of Amazon Alexa speakers and have an Amazon Fire TV stick. I'm also thinking about installing some lights that can be controlled via Alexa (Philips Hue??) and either Hive or Nest for heating control, via Alexa of course.

    Does anyone have any advice or insights to give?

    Thanks!!
    Originally posted by cherryblossomzel
    Go for it, although I don't like Amazon stuff, (each to their own), I use Google Home and find the whole thing just works.
    It's quite nice and convenient having the lights and heating controls to hand wherever you are.
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    • GunJack
    • By GunJack 13th Oct 18, 10:53 AM
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    smart home stuff?? Not with a bargepole, IMHO. IoT hacking has been on the rise (CCTV cameras anyone??) and I think is set to be a growth area...
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    • tonyh66
    • By tonyh66 13th Oct 18, 11:06 AM
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    smart home stuff?? Not with a bargepole, IMHO. IoT hacking has been on the rise (CCTV cameras anyone??) and I think is set to be a growth area...
    Originally posted by GunJack
    CCTV cameras aren't hacked, they are just viewed because people put them onto open ip addresses. You are right that IOT hacking probably is a growth area so people need to be aware and secure their network properly.
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 13th Oct 18, 11:50 AM
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    smart home stuff?? Not with a bargepole, IMHO. IoT hacking has been on the rise (CCTV cameras anyone??) and I think is set to be a growth area...
    Originally posted by GunJack
    Imagine if the same had been said of PC's? Actually, I think it was..
    As I said, each to their own, but, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle.
    Most of the hacking has been to companies with public facing IOT's.
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    • SteveJW
    • By SteveJW 13th Oct 18, 12:00 PM
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    Have you had a look at Sonoff products, they work fine wirh Alexa also have a TP Link LB130 bulb working with Alexa.

    Various scenes and timers set up and working well
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 13th Oct 18, 12:48 PM
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    I'll second TPLink bulbs and plugs. If you can wait until Black Friday (23 November), there should be some bargains about.
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    • cherryblossomzel
    • By cherryblossomzel 13th Oct 18, 12:58 PM
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    The issue of security and how much info Amazon and Google have about me is certainly not something I ignore, but tbh, I've had a google account for 20 years, use an android phone, been on facebook for ages, been an Amazon Prime customer for years, have had more bank accounts with online banking than I care to remember, and have details on various other, legitimate, website. I do try pretty hard keep my own security settings at a level I feel comfortable with, which is tighter than the default settings, but I can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

    I have no plans for cameras inside, or indeed outside, the house.

    It all does look complicated though. Is it worth going into a shop and talking to sales people?
    • Gers
    • By Gers 13th Oct 18, 2:31 PM
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    It all does look complicated though. Is it worth going into a shop and talking to sales people?
    Originally posted by cherryblossomzel
    There's a great FB forum for Amazon Alexa - loads of techie folk who know what they're talking about. I'd be reluctant to talk to a sales person cos that's exactly what they are.

    Do some searching for reviews (again, a healthy dose of salts to be taken).

    I love the lights on / lights off stuff. Plenty others have things such as curtains open / curtains closed etc - a boon for those with limited mobility. For speech impairment the Kasa app has touch controls and timer settings.

    Good luck in your search!
    • cherryblossomzel
    • By cherryblossomzel 13th Oct 18, 3:28 PM
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    There's a great FB forum for Amazon Alexa - loads of techie folk who know what they're talking about. I'd be reluctant to talk to a sales person cos that's exactly what they are.
    Originally posted by Gers
    That's also why I'm not so sure to talk to sales people, plus they often tend to be 12 years old (I'm getting old) and actually can't answer anything overly technical.

    Thanks for advice re the FB groups. Just had a look and already seen some good stuff on there!

    I'll second TPLink bulbs and plugs. If you can wait until Black Friday (23 November), there should be some bargains about.
    Originally posted by RumRat
    Hadn't thought of Black Friday, good idea
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    • Money_Grabber13579
    • By Money_Grabber13579 14th Oct 18, 3:08 AM
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    I’ve kitted our my house with Philips Hue lights and I love them (tend to control them with the app more often than through Google Home).

    One feature I especially love is that when i’m on holiday, I can set the lights to come on and off, simulating that i’m still around and hopefully providing some security.
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    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 14th Oct 18, 7:21 PM
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    Most of my rooms have either smart bulbs or smart light switches which was something I did end of last year. The smart light switches are great but they need a neutral wire, so you have to get an electrician in. The bulbs you just screw in and you're good to go. I have smart plugs in most rooms as well. Living Room Light floor lamp is on a smart plug, TV sat box etc, DAB Radio upstairs. When I put up my Christmas tree, I'll also use a smart plug for that.... and I'm thinking of putting one in the garage for the decking lights. Not sure how clever that is though.

    Echo in the kitchen, Echo Dot in my bedroom. Thinking of swapping them as I find myself using the one in my bedroom more often.

    I am undecided on whether the smart stuff was truly worth it. It wasn't that expensive to do but obviously it costs a little to run them and then you have to wonder whether I'd have been better just sticking to old fashioned light switches. I didn't have any problem with them for the first 27 years of my life....
    • Browntoa
    • By Browntoa 14th Oct 18, 7:30 PM
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    An interesting article about hacking "internet of things" (these sort of devices) connected devices

    https://hackernoon.com/iot-hacks-and-vulnerabilities-347dbe2ef98c
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    • arciere
    • By arciere 15th Oct 18, 4:16 PM
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    CCTV cameras aren't hacked, they are just viewed because people put them onto open ip addresses. You are right that IOT hacking probably is a growth area so people need to be aware and secure their network properly.
    Originally posted by tonyh66
    IoT cameras are intrinsically insecure because they need to communicate with the external world in order for you to be able to access them from your phone.
    Any camera that connects to 'the cloud' or to p2p servers is potentially a risk.
    The only thing you can do to make them "safe" would be to set your firewall to block any internet activity to/from them. You can still access their videos with a VPN connection to your router and connect directly to their ONVIF address.
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