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    • Amarna
    • By Amarna 12th Oct 18, 9:11 PM
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    Anyone here ever owned a really old cottage?
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    • 12th Oct 18, 9:11 PM
    Anyone here ever owned a really old cottage? 12th Oct 18 at 9:11 PM
    I've just bought my first property which is 19th century cottage. As a first time buyer it was maybe a bit brave or stupid of me (!) but I wasn't naive, I realised there would be quirks and constant upkeep on a property of such an age.
    What I wasn't prepared for was the paranoia (perhaps as a ftb) of everything needing work or going wrong. Random cracks appearing everywhere, doors fitting one day and not the next, patches of damp etc. I seem to be finding lots of little things that need repair, that I never noticed on the two viewings I had. Ive had three surveys done (One buildings survey prior to buying, one for the damp and wood and another by a family friend) and everyone has a different opinion on the severity and the options to repair! It's driving me mad.
    What I'm asking really is, what is it like to live in such an old property? Are the above things part of the course? Are there any money saving hacks I should know about when it comes to maintenance?
    Thanks!
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    • SeasideSally
    • By SeasideSally 13th Oct 18, 11:26 AM
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    Our cottage was built in the 1840s (and it's listed and in a conservation area). it was 'updated' in the seventies/eighties with renders and plasters that then caused all sorts of problems. Old houses need to breathe and move, just like us, and ours was suffocating when we bought it. It was hard work, getting rid of all the modern gunk, but it was so worthwhile. Yes, old houses require love and attention, but we've learned to do most of the maintenance ourselves.

    If you like perfectly flat walls, flawless finishes, straight lines and symmetry, you'll probably not enjoy living in an old building. Also, if you like a house to be silent, you'll not like an old one. Ours talks all day long, and all night too; during last night's storm, it was shouting its head off. Old houses have personality; they're present in your life in a way that modern buildings just aren't. Those cracks that appear and disappear depending on the time of year... we don't think of them as cracks, we think of them as laughter lines.

    We don't have a single level floor. Every piece of furniture has to be 'adjusted' with bits of wood to stop it leaning. Hanging a picture is fun; what do you line it up against, the crooked floor, crooked wall, or the crooked ceiling?

    We're now selling our cottage. When we buy our next home, it will be another lovely old timer.
    • phoebe1989seb
    • By phoebe1989seb 13th Oct 18, 11:48 AM
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    Our current (stone) cottage is at least 400 years old, but is rumoured to have Roman origins. It's needed loads of work partly because it was bought as a repossession and the previous two sets of owners did very many unsympathetic works attempting to 'modernise' it which we've been gradually undoing over the past eight months

    Previously we've owned a thatched, stone Georgian house and a Tudor house that had been dismantled and rebuilt in a different location during the 1930s. Our last house was built in 1853 and extended in Arts & Crafts style in the 1920s. That was in a Conservation Area with an Article 4 direction but none of the others have been listed. The 'newest' house we've owned was late Victorian, built in 1888.

    They've all come with their own set of problems, but imho the rewards of restoring and living in such interesting homes has far outweighed any negatives!
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    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 13th Oct 18, 12:13 PM
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    You should always use a proper surveyor that doesn't sell treatments, as the ones that do are well known for suggesting work that at best is a pointless waste of money and at worst can actually cause damp problems.
    Originally posted by Slithery
    The OP needs to have a look at https://www.heritage-house.org/damp-and-condensation/about-condensation.html and have a read up on the damage that these "damp treatments" do.
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    • Nebulous2
    • By Nebulous2 13th Oct 18, 2:02 PM
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    We've recently bought a 270 year old Georgian house. In an area where there are a lot of them, all listed and they dont fetch anything like as much as modern bungalows in the same town.


    It was refurbished in 1960 and again in 1986. We were led to believe that the roof had been replaced in 1986, it had no access and we accepted that. On opening up a hole in the ceiling with the intention of putting in a hatch we discovered it is probably original. Beams are whole and half trunks, planking is flat on inside and rounded on outside and they are marked with roman numerals by chisel, which apparently means pre-1820. It looks like the ceiling was replaced and not the roof.



    We've no idea what is behind the walls. We're failrly sure fireplaces were simply boxed in rather than removed. There is also an arch, which is one of the main reasons for the listing. It was a fireplace shared between our house and another building to the rear, since demolished. It has been closed up, rather nicely with a wooden feature and windows, through to a 1960s extension which houses the kitchen, but I'd like to open it up and expose the stonework. That will depend on it being in good condition - if the stonework is crumbling it would be better left as it is.



    Sorry - a long rambling post, but the point is we stay in a modern 1990s semi, which is worth a lot of money, is easy to heat and has been low-maintenance. We've also taken on a project which will be a money pit, will have character by the bucket load, but is much cheaper.



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    • SG27
    • By SG27 13th Oct 18, 2:45 PM
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    Well, we are enjoying the house as only people who love old houses can. Issues are being thrown up left, right and centre but nothing we can't handle. The main problem is stopping my head spinning and working out what we want to throw money at and when.
    a) So chimney was condemned when we had it swept due to shoddy workmanship thirty years ago and a defective clay flue. SO knocking back to original fireplace wall and putting in a woodburner. So, that's one big job we thought we might do next year that might be brought forward as we fancy a fire sometime this year.
    b) The metal twelve foot gate is too heavy for the posts and they have cracked and are failing big time - so new wooden gate in two halves and posts - needed cos otherwise the dog takes herself off for a walk.
    c) I was wondering about double glazing but with advice from the forum have decided against it as the window are fine in themselves - though looking at 'nice' window furniture it will cost over five hundred pounds to replace the lot in the house. So one room a month.
    d) looking at a ground source heat pump but this requires .... e)
    e) lots of trees need felling as the previous owner let them get WAAAY out of control. About twenty very, very tall conifer/cedar/leyandii type trees that need a tree surgeon and another fifty or so hubby can manage himself
    f) discovered a third pond by nearly falling in it it was so covered with over grown bushes - do we want three ponds?
    g) extension? Small ish to extend the kitchen and provide a utility as if we go ground source the utility we have will be used for the ground source equipment - and a lot of our dining room furniture is stuff in a shed as there is no room in the house for it
    h) cleaning the beams in the kitchen - we've already done the living room and the wires now need putting back up and 'hiding' away behind some kind of something - it's that well founded an idea.
    i) getting rid of the santex on the external walls
    j) changing the piddling little ensuite in the master bedroom as you may as well use a chamber pot next to the bed for the amount of privacy it affords.
    k) 'maybe' level the floors upstairs - did look at exposing the old floorboards but maybe too much work.
    l) thinking about extractor fans - but two of the places they are needed may go if we build the extension and one won't need one once we rejig the room
    m) popping in a velux or two
    n) removing cement render from around the chimneys and popping on chimney hats
    o) if we go ground source popping in underfloor heating down stairs as it is more efficient - meaning lifting and relaying the Victorian pamment tiles that are already there - and of course who knows what horrors that may reveal.
    p) reinstating a wall that has been removed to create a third bedroom
    q) replace the tiled window sills inside with oak or slate

    and the list goes on . . . . and on . . . and on, and I'm sure I've forgotten some fairly major stuff - simple decorating isn't even on our radar yet. BUT . . WE STILL LOVE IT - there could be so much more to do but the basic building is sound and dry and warm enough even without any curtains cos the !!!!!!s took them all to their three bed small bungalow where they would never fit.

    OP; we knew almost ALL of this when we bought the house and still took it on - that's what living in an old property entails. It becomes part of the family and you help it to grow into the best it can be and stop it collapsing under the pressure of modern life. And this house doesn't actually need too much doing to it in many respects. It's perfectly liveable in and sailed through it's historical houses survey.

    How's your renovations coming on, SG?
    Originally posted by TamsinC
    Oh wow! It actually sounds like a great project.

    i) getting rid of the santex on the external walls
    except this! Sounds like a hellish job!

    Ours is going well I think, first fix electrics done, re plumbing underway and plasterers booked in to start next week. Windows and doors also being done. It does make me panic a bit though when the plumber keeps using phrases like "corr you're going to be doing some money on this" and "on such a major renovation as this...) its a big learning curve for us though and we are enjoying it so far.

    I do have to admit though it is quite refreshing to be doing a "standard" house without its unique quirks and hundreds of year old bodges. Plus I won't miss limewashing and lime putty! Make sure you wear gloves and goggles when using it!
    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 13th Oct 18, 5:23 PM
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    One nice thing with lime plaster is that you can mix pigments in - Saves on painting the walls ever again. With the application of various soaps & waxes, it can be buffed up a really nice shine and even used around a shower/bath.



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    • Amarna
    • By Amarna 13th Oct 18, 8:11 PM
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    Freebear- for some reason the forum won't let me quote you, but that link re damp and condensation was VERY informative. Not one person I have spoken to has given me this information and in fact i may get in touch with them.
    It could well be that the damp work that has been done in the past has made the issue worse and not better then?
    I have never seen anything like those photos above, I had no idea and they look amazing!
    I have a lot to learn no doubt! But I have been inspired and motivated by peoples stories on here. I have never liked new builds, so as daunting as this is, I have to see it as a journey and enjoy it.
    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 13th Oct 18, 9:33 PM
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    It could well be that the damp work that has been done in the past has made the issue worse and not better then?
    I have never seen anything like those photos above, I had no idea and they look amazing!
    Originally posted by Amarna
    I have heard countless stories of "damp proofing" work being carried out only for it to be repeated again 10 or 15 years later. Rather than fixing the root cause, slapping a bit of waterproof cement on and injecting fancy chemicals in to the brickwork is much more profitable for these companies.

    I myself had a damp patch on the kitchen wall. It has always been a problem, and undoubtedly, would have had these "experts" try to sell me x,000 of fixes. During the summer. I removed a few bricks from the outside, primarily to install an air brick to improve underfloor ventilation. What I discovered, was a cavity filled with building debris along with a large quantity of damp sand - Much of this appeared to date from when the house was originally built. The wall is now slowly drying out, and I don't expect it to cause any further problems. Total bill, including the air brick, around 30 - Half of that was for a bag of NHL3.5 lime, of which, I used less than a quarter.

    If you want to see what can be done with lime plasters, look at some of the videos & sites that do Venetian plaster or Tadelakt. Some of it is quite stunning.

    Maybe, one day, I'll post a couple of pictures of my kitchen - A pale yellow finish that is yet to be buffed to a high shine.
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    • stuart45
    • By stuart45 13th Oct 18, 10:23 PM
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    Quite a few cavity walls are likely to have debris above the DPC. I have worked with bricklayers who used to dump a few trowels of mortar down the cavity at the end of the day to use it up quicker so they could go home. Nowadays the concrete needs to finish 225mm below DPC, but when it was only 150mm there was more chance of it getting above DPC at the end of the job.
    Another thing that can fill up the cavity is when render is hammered off the walls,and any snots may fall off the back of the wall and down the cavity.
    • StumpyPumpy
    • By StumpyPumpy 13th Oct 18, 10:54 PM
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    Previously we've owned a thatched, stone Georgian house and a Tudor house that had been dismantled and rebuilt in a different location during the 1930s. Our last house was built in 1853 and extended in Arts & Crafts style in the 1920s. That was in a Conservation Area with an Article 4 direction but none of the others have been listed. The 'newest' house we've owned was late Victorian, built in 1888.
    Originally posted by phoebe1989seb
    That cannot be correct.
    According Historic England (the public body that looks after the list)
    All buildings built before 1700 which survive in anything like their original condition are listed, as are most of those built between 1700 and 1840.
    So your Tudor house must have been on the Statutory List unless it had been altered so much as to be nothing like a Tudor house or it wasn't a Tudor house at all. Are you sure you weren't spun some yarn about it when you bought it? Houses often come with a history which as been "embellished" to the point of legend.

    In the 1930's Tudor Revival architecture was very popular; it was actually a follow-on to the Arts and Crafts style and tended toward either the black and white half timbered look or the mythical "country cottage" with steep pitched, red tiled roofs (often with tiled dormer windows sticking out of them) and decorated with herringbone brick or rendered brick infills rather than actually having the timber framing bearing the load of the house. The cottages were actually more Jacobean than Tudor, but the Tudor name seemed to stick better for some reason. You only have to look at a 1930's housing estate to see any number of black and white half timbered buildings and twee cottages, looking for all the world like a Price Kensington Cottage Ware Tea Set, to see how fashionable the style was.

    You say it was dismantled and rebuilt, did you ever have any documentary evidence of this? If that was how it came about and it wasn't a revival house it would be interesting to know where it was originally located and who dismantled it: they must have been extremely wealthy to do so rather than just build a facsimile especially as that was all the rage at the time so there were plenty of people who could do it. There would be records of it happening somewhere, as relocating a building was very rare in the 1930's. There could possibly be a Pathe news reel about it! Did you ever check with your Local History Society about it? It must have been a very impressive building to be worth all the effort.

    If you still have the details I'd love to see them and have a bit of a dig around to see what else turns up, I'm usually pretty good at getting to the bottom of things like this, because if it is Tudor and not "officially" on the list, then the current owner could still be bound by listed building consent without actually knowing it and that could bring about a whole world of trouble.

    SP
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    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 13th Oct 18, 11:17 PM
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    That cannot be correct.
    According Historic England (the public body that looks after the list) So your Tudor house must have been on the Statutory List unless it had been altered so much as to be nothing like a Tudor house or it wasn't a Tudor house at all. Are you sure you weren't spun some yarn about it when you bought it? Houses often come with a history which as been "embellished" to the point of legend.
    Originally posted by StumpyPumpy
    Not completely unbelievable. May Savidge dismantled her 1450s home and moved it to a new site in Wells-next-the-Sea. She never managed to finish the rebuild, but her niece-in-law eventually completed the task. https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/ware-hall-house-skb

    After WWI and WWII, councils across the country cared little for many historic buildings and engaged in widespread "slum clearances". Whilst some of these areas were indeed slums, other areas contained buildings of interest. Elm Hill in Norwich was one such area listed for clearance in 1926 and was only saved by the hard work of a few with foresight. If the area had been flattened, it is possible that one or two buildings might have been moved in order to save them.
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    • phoebe1989seb
    • By phoebe1989seb 13th Oct 18, 11:24 PM
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    That cannot be correct.
    According Historic England (the public body that looks after the list) So your Tudor house must have been on the Statutory List unless it had been altered so much as to be nothing like a Tudor house or it wasn't a Tudor house at all. Are you sure you weren't spun some yarn about it when you bought it? Houses often come with a history which as been "embellished" to the point of legend.

    In the 1930's Tudor Revival architecture was very popular; it was actually a follow-on to the Arts and Crafts style and tended toward either the black and white half timbered look or the mythical "country cottage" with steep pitched, red tiled roofs (often with tiled dormer windows sticking out of them) and decorated with herringbone brick or rendered wall infills rather than actually having the timber framing bearing the load of the house. The cottages were actually more Jacobean than Tudor, but the Tudor name seemed to stick better for some reason. You only have to look at a 1930's housing estate to see any number of black and white half timbered buildings and twee "country cottages", looking for all the world like a Price Kensington Cottage Ware Tea Set, to see how fashionable the style was.

    You say it was dismantled and rebuilt, did you ever have any documentary evidence of this? If that was how it came about and it wasn't a revival house it would be interesting to know where it was originally located and who dismantled it: they must have been extremely wealthy to do so rather than just build a facsimile especially as that was all the rage at the time so there were plenty of people who could do it. There would be records of it happening somewhere, as relocating a building was very rare in the 1930's. There could possibly be a Pathe news reel about it! Did you ever check with your Local History Society about it? It must have been a very impressive building to be worth all the effort.

    If you still have the details I'd love to see them and have a bit of a dig around to see what else turns up, I'm usually pretty good at getting to the bottom of things like this, because if it is Tudor and not "officially" on the list, then the current owner could still be bound by listed building consent without actually knowing it and that could bring about a whole world of trouble.

    SP
    Originally posted by StumpyPumpy
    Thanks SP.....no, definitely not listed and no yarn was spun - the vendors/their EA had no idea (or interest) in what it was!

    I don't want to give too much away as we no longer own the place so it's not our concern any more but suffice to say it was moved from one part of the county to another some distance away, where it was rebuilt by a master builder teaching his sons his trade.

    While living there some serious googling led me to a piece written by a descendant of the original (1930s) owners that briefly described staying there as a child. According to them it was one of the first private properties in the county to have an outdoor swimming pool but this was filled in during WW2. His grandfather (?) had moved the component parts of the Tudor building piecemeal after it was taken down being unwanted where it originally stood.

    Looking at the building as it stood when we bought it (2007) it had been much altered - extended several times - and the original gardens sold off for redevelopment over the years. Both internally and externally many of the original heavily carved timbers still existed and the main room was double-height with an almost 'minstrels gallery' type feature. The brickwork looked to have been done with very old bricks in some parts, newer (1930s) in others.

    I'll admit that majority of the neighbours - as well as the estate agent we purchased through - believed it to be a 1930s Arts & Crafts Tudorbethan pastiche.......

    Our current house (completely different part of UK) was formerly an estate building - one of only two remaining - belonging to a historically important Tudor manor house. Both the manor and the other former estate building were listed (the main house is Grade 2*) decades ago but ours was not. I believe it slipped through the net for two reasons - 1) it was derelict till a PO bought it in the 1990s and 2) a PO sold the beautiful original terracotta (or similar) tiled roof to pay for 'modernisation' The neighbouring properties still have theirs as well as many other original features - in the case of the manor house, not least some very important Jacobean fireplaces - whereas ours was just a stone shell with hideously modern interior which we have been busily transforming to something more appropriate.....

    This one dates from the 1600s but the undercroft is rumoured to have Roman elements......need to investigate this further but as it's only recently become truly habitable (although we've been living in it since we purchased​ it as a neglected repossession) we've not had much time to do this yet.......
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    • StumpyPumpy
    • By StumpyPumpy 14th Oct 18, 2:43 PM
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    Not completely unbelievable. May Savidge dismantled her 1450s home and moved it to a new site in Wells-next-the-Sea. She never managed to finish the rebuild, but her niece-in-law eventually completed the task. https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/ware-hall-house-skb
    Originally posted by FreeBear
    Yes I know, I have read the book. I am not suggesting that it wasn't possible to do. But, and it is a big but, the moving of that house was famous whilst she was doing it. It wasn't the writing of the book by her niece that first made people aware of it. 1 Monkey Row was indexed in the National Archive in 1920 and when she was moving it in the 60's/70's it often featured in the press (local and national) to such an extent that people sent her money and frequently wrote to her about it. The press coverage also serves to show how rare an event it was.

    The difficulty of doing the move was illustrated in the book by her attempts to get either the RAF or USAF to supply a helicopter to lift the timber frame in one piece to the new site as it was incredibly difficult to separate. In the end it took teams of men to dismantle the frame and was hugely expensive. It needed 11 trips to move all the materials and decades to re-assemble. It gained its own celebrity in its time and all the locals at both locations knew its history. May Savidge was regarded as an eccentric and obsessive which gave her the drive to do all this.

    I simply don't see how, in this instance, the same thing could have happened but in secret. I'm not saying it is impossible but with the limited information I have to work on it seems highly improbable. It appears that the locals believe it to be a Tudor Revival house, not a relocation project and, as it is in living memory, you'd expect at least some of them to know. Without contemporaneous documents and witnesses the only person who could really say for sure would be a professional surveyor but (obviously) I'm not going to pay to get a survey done on a house I don't own or want to buy just to satisfy my curiosity

    Houses often gain a mythology that have no basis in fact. For instance, I can remember my Grandmother telling us about Grandfather trying to dig a bomb shelter in the back garden of their house during the war because they lived quite near to an oil refinery. But, so the story went, he never finished it because he was only doing it during leave from the army (he was stationed on the south coast and was a cook - my family are feeders not fighters). In the end, sick of the hole, she filled it all in with help from the neighbours to make a vegetable plot. He was far from happy when he returned on leave the next time.

    It was a frequently told family tale and probably not an uncommon occurrence during the war. Only... In the 1980's they moved to sheltered housing and my Mother arranged the selling of their house and I saw the documentation. They bought the only house they ever owned brand new in 1953. After they died I researched further with the benefit of the papers they had left and as far as I could tell, that house was the only one they ever lived in that even had a garden: during the war they lived in a rented terrace with a yard that still exists today. Why the story was told I'll never know, but without those papers or the benefit of professional or local opinion I'd have forever believed that their house was pre-war. And I'd be wrong.


    SP
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    • phoebe1989seb
    • By phoebe1989seb 14th Oct 18, 4:32 PM
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    Yes I know, I have read the book. I am not suggesting that it wasn't possible to do. But, and it is a big but, the moving of that house was famous whilst she was doing it. It wasn't the writing of the book by her niece that first made people aware of it. 1 Monkey Row was indexed in the National Archive in 1920 and when she was moving it in the 60's/70's it often featured in the press (local and national) to such an extent that people sent her money and frequently wrote to her about it. The press coverage also serves to show how rare an event it was.

    The difficulty of doing the move was illustrated in the book by her attempts to get either the RAF or USAF to supply a helicopter to lift the timber frame in one piece to the new site as it was incredibly difficult to separate. In the end it took teams of men to dismantle the frame and was hugely expensive. It needed 11 trips to move all the materials and decades to re-assemble. It gained its own celebrity in its time and all the locals at both locations knew its history. May Savidge was regarded as an eccentric and obsessive which gave her the drive to do all this.

    I simply don't see how, in this instance, the same thing could have happened but in secret. I'm not saying it is impossible but with the limited information I have to work on it seems highly improbable. It appears that the locals believe it to be a Tudor Revival house, not a relocation project and, as it is in living memory, you'd expect at least some of them to know. Without contemporaneous documents and witnesses the only person who could really say for sure would be a professional surveyor but (obviously) I'm not going to pay to get a survey done on a house I don't own or want to buy just to satisfy my curiosity

    Houses often gain a mythology that have no basis in fact. For instance, I can remember my Grandmother telling us about Grandfather trying to dig a bomb shelter in the back garden of their house during the war because they lived quite near to an oil refinery. But, so the story went, he never finished it because he was only doing it during leave from the army (he was stationed on the south coast and was a cook - my family are feeders not fighters). In the end, sick of the hole, she filled it all in with help from the neighbours to make a vegetable plot. He was far from happy when he returned on leave the next time.

    It was a frequently told family tale and probably not an uncommon occurrence during the war. Only... In the 1980's they moved to sheltered housing and my Mother arranged the selling of their house and I saw the documentation. They bought the only house they ever owned brand new in 1953. After they died I researched further with the benefit of the papers they had left and as far as I could tell, that house was the only one they ever lived in that even had a garden: during the war they lived in a rented terrace with a yard that still exists today. Why the story was told I'll never know, but without those papers or the benefit of professional or local opinion I'd have forever believed that their house was pre-war. And I'd be wrong.


    SP
    Originally posted by StumpyPumpy
    When the Tudor building was relocated and re-erected in the early 1930s the surrounding area was open countryside. It was the only house for miles. During the latter part of the decade further residential building took place - but only a handful of houses were built before the war put paid to further development.

    To my DH and me (who have a serious interest in the Arts & Crafts Movement, btw) those houses are clearly 1930s interpretations of the Tudor style. Any other properties in the locality were put up in the 1950s/more recently and few - if any - of the residents have any recollection/interest (sadly it's not that kind of place ) in the history of the area.

    When we purchased we were cash buyers with extensive experience restoring the other historic properties we'd owned, so did not have a survey at all. However an architect we employed with a wealth of years under his belt working with very old buildings confirmed that many of the materials used (timbers, bricks etc) dated from the Tudor period......

    Of course that in itself is not proof of the house's history - many properties have been built/extended utilising much older materials (think Great Dixter as well as the buildings of Major Kenneth Hutchinson Smith in and around Wolverhampton) - but that coupled with the historical account written by the grandson of the master builder that removed and rebuilt the property was enough to convince us..........
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    • heatherw_01
    • By heatherw_01 14th Oct 18, 4:36 PM
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    heatherw_01
    This place was built in 1890 and is grade II listed.

    Would never in a million years have another old one! Seems to need constant repairs.
    • StumpyPumpy
    • By StumpyPumpy 14th Oct 18, 6:07 PM
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    ...the historical account written by the grandson of the master builder that removed and rebuilt the property was enough to convince us.
    Originally posted by phoebe1989seb
    That's great, I'd be very interested in looking at that - where did you find that document?


    SP
    Come on people, it's not difficult: lose means to be unable to find, loose means not being fixed in place. So if you have a hole in your pocket you might lose your loose change.
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 15th Oct 18, 4:44 PM
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    This place was built in 1890 and is grade II listed.

    Would never in a million years have another old one! Seems to need constant repairs.
    Originally posted by heatherw_01
    Our moneypit is G2 Listed as well. However, having lived in a newbuild for 6 months, I went back to the old creaky somewhat-dubious-in-places structures with Relief. More spacious, more tolerant of ahem somewhat lax housekeeping - a bulb out adds character rather than showcasing failure to plan...

    I've a cousin who lives in Bristol & could only be coaxed elsewhere with difficulty - he's 6'7" and shambles happily around his Georgian abode with ample headroom Everywhere. His wife makes him dust everywhere she can't reach & they appear entirely content. Any newbuild would see him stooping all the time and probably sleeping diagonally again, and where would he put his bathtub? (Yes, the man has his own personal 7' cast iron tub. His children learned to swim in it. I believe it is mentioned in the Will, to ensure some long pal has a happy few years before they too have to relocate the thing.)
    • Niv
    • By Niv 15th Oct 18, 6:01 PM
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    I've just bought my first property which is 19th century cottage. As a first time buyer it was maybe a bit brave or stupid of me (!) but I wasn't naive, I realised there would be quirks and constant upkeep on a property of such an age.
    What I wasn't prepared for was the paranoia (perhaps as a ftb) of everything needing work or going wrong. Random cracks appearing everywhere, doors fitting one day and not the next, patches of damp etc. I seem to be finding lots of little things that need repair, that I never noticed on the two viewings I had. Ive had three surveys done (One buildings survey prior to buying, one for the damp and wood and another by a family friend) and everyone has a different opinion on the severity and the options to repair! It's driving me mad.
    What I'm asking really is, what is it like to live in such an old property? Are the above things part of the course? Are there any money saving hacks I should know about when it comes to maintenance?
    Thanks!
    Originally posted by Amarna


    You need to learn to love your young house. My place was built in around 1600 and I have been here two years trying to undo many yeras of neglect from the previous owner.


    It is a real projct house so jobs just do not stop. I have learnt a lot about lime platering etc in the process, luckily one of the neighbours is actually a builder using ld techniques / materials so getting replastering done is quite an easy job. I hack away at the modern stuff that has been put in , give him a ring and then he makes it right haha.


    So many things done and to do, it is a simialr list as Tamsin!


    Oh, and my place is not listed either, even though there are many origonal features - I am lucky that when they listed buildings in this village in the 1970's they did it via drive by apparently and my place was/is unassuming from the outside so much so that the specialist surveyor that I had do the full structural survey pulled up outside and wondered why I had commisioned him for the survey....until he walked in
    YNWA

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