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    • worried123
    • By worried123 12th Oct 18, 1:18 AM
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    Any advice please
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    • 12th Oct 18, 1:18 AM
    Any advice please 12th Oct 18 at 1:18 AM
    I wonder whether anybody can advise me please.

    Driving home last night down a main road just off my street i clipped a wing mirror of an obviously parked car. I was in the flow of traffic so couldnt stop or pull over and it sounded like a very minor clip (my car has been clipped many a time and you feel its part of life and no major damage done).

    This morning there was an envelope under my wing screen wiper. It had a registration number on the front of it and what i feel to be a very rude and threatening note inside. However, absolutely no name, telephone number or address. terrible writing that isnt even joined up and to my mind appalling manners. (had this person said these are my contact details and i would appreciate you contacting me to discuss this i would not have minded.

    The note reads, `I`ve looked at my CCTV and its your car what has struck mine and broken my wing mirror. I will give you just one opportunity to come and do the right thing or I will be forced to go the police`.....And thats it... no contact details and just a threatening letter.

    (in the grand scheme i cannot help but feel this persons car could have been parked badly and certainly he/she should have pushed their wing mirror in (mine was literally smashed off before i learned to remember to push it in like everyone else when i park outside my house). Certainly i have never clipped anybodies mirror before and driven down that road thousands of times and didnt clip any of the other parked cars....(if wing mirrors didnt get clipped nobody would push theirs in and everybody does).

    I am annoyed at this persons rudeness and the fact they have simply threatened me......also how did they know where i live.

    I rang my local neighbourhood police station today...only an answerphone but explained that i accidently clipped somebodies wing mirror and that i had received a threatening note left on my car but no contact details and could they please advise me.
    I have not heard back from them.

    (apologies - female....never had to deal with anything like this before...i am also concerned that if i do finally manage to track down this person they will rip me off concerning their wing mirror because they sound very hostile and rude anyway.....

    I dont know where to go from here.......any advice would be much appreciated. thank you.
    Last edited by worried123; 12-10-2018 at 1:42 AM.
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    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 12th Oct 18, 5:06 PM
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    GDPR and CCTV doesn't cover domestic installations, they are recording images in a public place, no permission needed, no different to you videoing in a public place.

    Although it must be pretty good CCTV if it was able to get a registration number in the dark, more likely was able to identify make and model and find the one locally with a corresponding damaged mirror.

    They could be very upset as the quote to repair/replace the mirror housing and glass on my 5 Series BMW from a main dealer was just short of £900.
    Originally posted by tiggerbodhi
    Wrong. Although data protection rules don't apply to CCTV on a household premises it can apply if cameras are monitoring a public space, ie, the road outside your house.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 12th Oct 18, 5:15 PM
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    GDPR and CCTV doesn't cover domestic installations, they are recording images in a public place, no permission needed, no different to you videoing in a public place.
    Originally posted by tiggerbodhi
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/domestic-cctv-using-cctv-systems-on-your-property/domestic-cctv-using-cctv-systems-on-your-property

    You also need to be aware that if your camera(s) captures images outside the confines of your of household, those images are subject to the DPA. Please see the Information Commissioner’s Office website for more information about domestic cameras covering areas other than your own property.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 12th Oct 18, 5:18 PM
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    I assume you must have been parked near (and therefore live very near) the car you hit?
    Otherwise they would have had little chance of finding you.

    I'd suggest (as you have no contact details) that you put a note on their car, apologising for the damage, and offer to cover the repair cost if they could get some quotes. Give your mobile number.
    Originally posted by alan_d
    Why don't you suggest they comply with the road traffic act and exchange details or report the matter to the police?
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 12th Oct 18, 5:21 PM
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    1. You clipped their wing mirror, you need to rectify.
    2. They reviewed their CCTV footage? So they have domestic CCTV that covers the public highway, sufficiently to identify a vehicle clipping their own vehicle's wing mirror? That is hardly likely to be GDPR compliant...
    Originally posted by CardinalWolsey
    Could be a dash cam.
    • Richard53
    • By Richard53 12th Oct 18, 8:27 PM
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    I had some clip mine, it was a powered mirror and it broke the mechanism, about 12 years ago it cost me best part of £150 to get it fixed.
    Originally posted by Geodark
    The glass alone on mine is over £200 plus fitting to replace (it's auto-dimming glass). I shall be taking better care of mine from now on.

    They could be very upset as the quote to repair/replace the mirror housing and glass on my 5 Series BMW from a main dealer was just short of £900.
    Originally posted by tiggerbodhi
    Crikey. I've had decent cars for less than that.
    If someone is nice to you but rude to the waiter, they are not a nice person.
    • MX5huggy
    • By MX5huggy 12th Oct 18, 8:49 PM
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    As they have “terrible handwriting that isn’t even joined up” I wouldn’t pay either, I only reply to notes left in copper plate script on vellum.
    • fred246
    • By fred246 12th Oct 18, 9:46 PM
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    I think a lot of people are now deterred from reporting minor bumps because instead of being repaired at a reasonable cost people have to go to the main dealer and when they realise someone else is paying they charge inflated prices and do a massive unnecessary repair. I had a supermarket trolley hit the door of my car. A minor dinge. The supermarket agreed to pay. I got some massive quotes from bodywork places wanting to replace the door. I didn't want my door taking apart for a minor dinge so got a perfect repair for less than £100 from a dent company. Once a garage has taken something apart it's never the same ever again.
    • worried123
    • By worried123 13th Oct 18, 11:03 PM
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    So I rang the local police myself the following morning explaining that i had slightly clipped someones wing mirror driving home. I did not stop as it was very minor....no damage was done to my wing mirror which would have happened had it caused any damage to the other car.
    Explained that i found the note on my windscreen with no contact details whatsoever etc etc....
    I was told that if i did not want to literally go down the road knocking on doors which she did not recommend as she, too, felt the note was quite hostile and i didnt know who i was dealing with, to fill in an accident form on the net police website.
    I received a response from them saying that nothing could be done and i would not be hearing from them.
    (There is a house opposite converted into two flats which are let out....i dont know who lives there currently but their car was behind mine driving home and must have witnessed me clipping the wing mirror. They pulled up at the same time as me. The writing in the note was not `natural` writing....it was printed as though not to make the writing identifiable and i feel they put the note on my wing mirror. I dont believe anybody with an ounce of common sense would not leave contact details. I thought they had put `thier` reg number on the envelope and recall thinking it was very similar to mine...it is my reg number with one digit changed.

    It is obvious that i am a rogue driver who regularly drives appallingly, going around smashing up peoples property and then leaving the scene of the crime. That i do not comply with road traffic acts and indeed i shall be on the front of all the sunday nationals this week asking people to keep a look out for me.

    I think also that i absolutely must as you suggest contact my insurance company as well and may even hand myself in at the local police station as i am a complete menace. However i think the police will be too busy as they will undoubtedly be out in force with sniffer dogs and even armed searching for the person who knocked my sisters wing mirror off completely and simply put it on the boot of her car.
    Apparently, also there are stricter laws coming into force for accidental car dings at supermarket car parks.......i believe its now going to be life for such evil, life destroying crimes....
    Last edited by worried123; 13-10-2018 at 11:05 PM.
    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 13th Oct 18, 11:19 PM
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    Grow up, find the car you clipped, contact the owner, apologise and ask if there's any damage that requires you paying for.

    Honestly, what a song and dance you've made over the whole thing, and have wasted police time, for something that was your mistake in the first place. It's a trivial driving mistake that you've escalated into a nonsense because you couldn't be bothered to do the right thing in the first place.
    • worried123
    • By worried123 13th Oct 18, 11:56 PM
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    find me the owner and i will......thats why i contacted the police.

    the whole crux is that i have no contact details....you are so perfect i suspect and i obviously not.

    It seems that posting in the first instance is what has `escalated` this situation.

    I dont believe that i am `wasting the polices time` i hae been told here that i have committed an offence and so i have owned up to the situation. I would also like to know what i am supposed to `pay up for` as you elloquently put it when my wing mirror was not even knocked out fo place and wasnt a mark on it.....i am no expert but i suspect that had i damaged this persons wing mirror there would have been something..even the slightest mark on mine.

    Perfect people posting who are complete saints and never do a thing wrong especially on the road.
    Dont speak to me like that either and make sure you dust your halo before you go to bed tonight.
    Last edited by worried123; 14-10-2018 at 12:08 AM.
    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 14th Oct 18, 12:15 AM
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    Cracking. I’m beginning to see why you reacted as you did to the note.

    You’d find out what damage you may have caused and what might need paying for if you took a little trouble to find the car. But it’s easier to whine about the note and argue with strangers on a forum. Brilliant.
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 14th Oct 18, 12:42 AM
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    Wile I agree that the OP should be prepared to cover any damage caused, suggesting that she goes knocking random doors to try and find who it was is simply bad advice. That applies regardless of the OP's gender, but especially as a woman.

    Assuming she couldn't stop at the time because of traffic, the two "correct" things to do would to have been go back and place a note on the car (no guarantee that the owner will get it, of course) or report the incident to the police so they can either find the owner or have her details if the owner reports it.

    That appears to be what she's done.
    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 14th Oct 18, 9:31 AM
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    Wile I agree that the OP should be prepared to cover any damage caused, suggesting that she goes knocking random doors to try and find who it was is simply bad advice. That applies regardless of the OP's gender, but especially as a woman.

    Assuming she couldn't stop at the time because of traffic, the two "correct" things to do would to have been go back and place a note on the car (no guarantee that the owner will get it, of course) or report the incident to the police so they can either find the owner or have her details if the owner reports it.

    That appears to be what she's done.
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    That's not how I read the situation. She decided not to stop then once she'd ascertained that there was no damage to her car, has assumed that there's no damage to the other car, got indignant when someone left a note and tried to swing the situation round to one where the note-writer is somehow in the wrong and that justifies her not wanting to do the right thing. No door-knocking needed. All she needs to do is as you say, leave a note on the car in question so the owner can get in touch if they want to.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 14th Oct 18, 10:06 AM
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    find me the owner and i will......thats why i contacted the police.

    the whole crux is that i have no contact details....you are so perfect i suspect and i obviously not.

    It seems that posting in the first instance is what has `escalated` this situation.

    I dont believe that i am `wasting the polices time` i hae been told here that i have committed an offence and so i have owned up to the situation. I would also like to know what i am supposed to `pay up for` as you elloquently put it when my wing mirror was not even knocked out fo place and wasnt a mark on it.....i am no expert but i suspect that had i damaged this persons wing mirror there would have been something..even the slightest mark on mine.

    Perfect people posting who are complete saints and never do a thing wrong especially on the road.
    Dont speak to me like that either and make sure you dust your halo before you go to bed tonight.
    Originally posted by worried123
    But you do have the car reg. and you know where the car was parked. Go back and leave a note of your own with your mobile number for them to contact you, something you should've done from the off and at the earliest convenience.
    • tonyh66
    • By tonyh66 14th Oct 18, 10:09 AM
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    I suggest the OP has a walk down the road, seeing its near to where she lives, try to identify the car she hit, see if there is any damage IF she can find it. If there is damage put a note on the windscreen otherwise there is nothing else she can do.
    Its possible the car had a dashcam in parked mode, and the driver recognized the car because she is local, but why if it is the car owner did they not put any contact details on the note?
    • worried123
    • By worried123 14th Oct 18, 10:15 AM
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    Re aylesbury duck..No....the crux of the matter and why i posted in the first instance (wish now that i had not bothered to only be beaten up and have whole situation `twisted` as you say to fit `your` mind set...what you post often says more about yourself.) is that i have no contact details......there was a reg number ont eh front of the envelope and it now appears its mine with one digit wrong...i wasnt sure whether a car owner could be traced with this.

    There were many parked cars as the whole road has parked cars along....it was dark I did not stop (shoot me now as i am such a terrible woman who you know nothing about and have never met so i would try to reserve your judgement if i were you)....are you tight regarding money? because your assumption that i must be and this is why i didnt stop or return seems to be your main concern.

    I do not know where the car actually is and what make of car it is....i have a threatening note...however you perceive it, its a threat.....on my windscreen with absolutely no contact details....

    Yes, i did not stop....it was a light clip of his wing mirror and neither do thousands of other drivers who do the same thing every single day.....there cannot be one driver who hasnt had thier car clipped whilst driving etc.....

    we have already ascertained that i am an evil person for not stopping so lets put that to one side.......my problem is that i have no contact details for this car driver.

    I am not going to go down an entire road knocking on doors and have even been advised not to by the police.....so i have reported the situation to teh police.....beyond that i cannot see what more i can do.

    once you have stopped slagging me off you might want to get this into context and stop making assumptions about me whilst you carry on with you perfect faultless existence.
    Last edited by worried123; 14-10-2018 at 10:21 AM.
    • tonyh66
    • By tonyh66 14th Oct 18, 10:20 AM
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    No....the crux of the matter and why i posted in the first instance (wish now that i had not bothered to only be beaten up and have whole situation `twisted` as you say to fit your fit `your` mind set...what you post often says more about yourself.) is that i have no contact details......there was a reg number ont eh front of the envelope and it now appears its mine with one digit wrong...i wasnt sure whether a car owner could be traced with this.

    There were many parked cars as the whole road has parked cars along....it was dark I did not stop (shoot me now as i am such a terrible woman who you know nothing about and have never met so i would try to reserve your judgement if i were you)....are you tight regarding money? because your assumption that i must be and this is why i didnt stop or return seems to be your main concern.

    I do not know where the car actually is and what make of car it is....i have a threatening note...however you perceive it, its a threat.....on my windscreen with absolutely no contact details....

    Yes, i did not stop....it was a light clip of his wing mirror and neither do thousands of other drivers who do the same thing every single day.....there cannot be one driver who hasnt had thier car clipped whilst driving etc.....

    we have already ascertained that i am an evil person for not stopping so lets put that to one side.......my problem is that i have no contact details for this car driver.

    I am not going to go down an entire road knocking on doors and have even been advised not to by the police.....so i have reported the situation to teh police.....beyond that i cannot see what more i can do.

    once you have stopped slagging me off you might want to get this into context and stop making assumptions about me whilst you carry on with you perfect faultless existence.
    Originally posted by worried123
    You don't have to knock on doors, just walk down the road looking for the reg on the envelope if you can't find it then fine you tried.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 14th Oct 18, 10:20 AM
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    I do not know where the car actually is and what make of car it is....i have a threatening note...however you perceive it, its a threat.....on my windscreen with absolutely no contact details....
    Originally posted by worried123
    The following would suggest otherwise.

    Driving home last night down a main road just off my street i clipped a wing mirror of an obviously parked car.
    Originally posted by worried123
    You've got the reg of the car so just get off your backside and find the car and place a note with YOUR contact details on it.
    • worried123
    • By worried123 14th Oct 18, 10:27 AM
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    I DO NOT have the reg details....i thought they had left theirs on the envelope but they have put my reg number on it with one changed digit.

    so i am going to `get off my lazy backside` now and go and do a 12 hour shift at the hospital however i expect that i will be put in front of the diciplinary commitee and struck off for this most terrible of crimes.

    next time that i think i need advice i shallnt be asking on here....just complete rudeness.
    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 14th Oct 18, 11:13 AM
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    It's not rudeness, it's answers you don't want to hear.

    If it helps: You've done everything you can, it wasn't your fault, the note-writer was threatening and they don't deserve to have their wing-mirror fixed as a result. Stop feeling guilty and have a good day at work.
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