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    • Soph1988
    • By Soph1988 14th Sep 18, 9:00 PM
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    Carpentry and expectations - what a mess!
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    • 14th Sep 18, 9:00 PM
    Carpentry and expectations - what a mess! 14th Sep 18 at 9:00 PM
    Hi there,

    Just after a bit of advice surrounding my expectations.

    We are in the process of doing up a 1950s house and are having two rooms skirting replaced and new doors and architrave to three doors.

    We have agreed a price of £800 for fitting and supply of all the materials.

    So far its taken 3 men x 2 full days 9am - 8pm to do most of the work - they are coming back for another full day Monday to finish it apparently. It seems to be taking a long time for what seems a simple job...... but maybe itís more complicated than it looks.

    The skirting all looks pretty good right now, but the architrave around the doors has left cracks and big gaps between the architrave and the wall because of plaster breaking. In one room, the plaster has come off and cracked alongside the bottom of the wall a good 10-15 inches into the room. In between one set of doors where they have pulled the previous architrave off the plaster has come from the floor to around 6ft high - down to the wood slats it was bonded to originally.

    Is this normal? Is this just what you are left with after this sort of job? I didnít expect to have to be plastering throughout following this. This isnít a quick bit of filler sort of job, they have completely wrecked the plaster around all three of the doors.

    Any advice appreciated!
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    • Carrot007
    • By Carrot007 14th Sep 18, 9:08 PM
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    • 14th Sep 18, 9:08 PM
    Sounds pretty normal to me.


    Real plaster (undercoat and finishing) is always better than a bodge anyway. (and you may only need finishing depending on how bad it is).


    You can probably do it yourself. I do, but I sometimes need to use my sander a bit the next day as I aint great!
    • comeandgo
    • By comeandgo 14th Sep 18, 9:19 PM
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    • 14th Sep 18, 9:19 PM
    At the end of the job you will have 90 man hours plus the materials so I'd say you have workers who are getting slightly more than minimum wage. Did you choose them as they were the cheapest?
    • Soph1988
    • By Soph1988 14th Sep 18, 9:23 PM
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    • 14th Sep 18, 9:23 PM
    Thanks Carrot007.

    comeandgo, not at all. We haven’t tried to skimp on this, we’ve had a handful of quotes and these guys came in at the average. One guy quoted 2.5k, another quoted £400 and several that came in at £800 / £1000 so we took a mid range cost one.
    • bris
    • By bris 14th Sep 18, 9:27 PM
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    • 14th Sep 18, 9:27 PM
    When you pull skirting off a 1950's room you can expect a lot of mess. It's usually better to plaster before the finished go on.
    • Soph1988
    • By Soph1988 14th Sep 18, 9:35 PM
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    • 14th Sep 18, 9:35 PM
    Hi Bris,

    We did pull off all the skirting ourselves and had it replastered as it was attached with expanding foam that just ripped off so much plaster. We did that almost 4 months ago now, the skirting is fine and looks great, itís the door architrave which is such a mess!
    • Le_Kirk
    • By Le_Kirk 15th Sep 18, 9:59 AM
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    On your written quotation (you did get one in writing - didn't you?) does it mention "making good" after removing the old architrave. If not, it's down to you.
    • armchaireconomist
    • By armchaireconomist 17th Sep 18, 9:19 AM
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    • 17th Sep 18, 9:19 AM
    Yes, that's what happens when you pull wood trims off plasterboard.
    • Soph1988
    • By Soph1988 18th Sep 18, 12:00 PM
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    This is the mess that has been left. As you can see, the bay window skirting has been put on like a jigsaw!!
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 18th Sep 18, 1:00 PM
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    I would have made good and plastered some parts before fitting the trim. As for the bay is it curved? I wouldnít have cut all the way through but once painted itíll look ok.
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    • jcb208
    • By jcb208 18th Sep 18, 4:47 PM
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    Normal for plaster to crack and break away when replacing trim.The skirting around the bay would of been better to cut deep grooves in the back to bend around the bay then just fill the top.maybe the bend was to acute to do this
    • Dan-Dan
    • By Dan-Dan 24th Sep 18, 3:41 PM
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    Nothings perfect i know but i think by the pictures it would have been better to skim out all those areas and gone on top with the arcs etc
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    • traineepensioner
    • By traineepensioner 25th Sep 18, 10:43 AM
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    https://ibb.co/cEOP9z

    Looking at the paint line and the lower skirting a narrower architrave has been fitted. I would remove the skirting, make good the plaster and fit a new piece of skirting.

    You could use something like Easi filler to make good.....It's quite forgiving and easy to sand. (https://www.diy.com/departments/gyproc-easi-filler-multipurpose-filler-5kg/143939_BQ.prd)
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    • gardner1
    • By gardner1 25th Sep 18, 10:49 AM
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    Might just be me.......but that looks a bodge job and the bay window is shocking

    But for £800 3 men 3 days what did you expect
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 25th Sep 18, 12:16 PM
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    Might just be me.......but that looks a bodge job and the bay window is shocking

    But for £800 3 men 3 days what did you expect
    Originally posted by gardner1
    I thought some of it was just about OK, or might be after it's been filled and finished, but I can't see any pro doing the bay curve like that. As already said it should have been "kerfed" (saw cuts across the back partway through to allow it to bend.
    But as you say, at the price. . .
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