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    • Pauli2
    • By Pauli2 13th Sep 18, 7:51 PM
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    Two speeding tickets inside 15 mins
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    • 13th Sep 18, 7:51 PM
    Two speeding tickets inside 15 mins 13th Sep 18 at 7:51 PM
    Same camera but in different cars. The first is when I was returning in a pool car and about 15 mins later coming back in my private car. I've paid the £100 fine and sent my DL off for my offence and now the works car notice has arrived, I'm waiting find out from work exactly the date it was issued. However in the case everything was done correctly what are my chances of getting one offence cancelled due to the close proximity of the offences and only 3 points being applied? Thanks.
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    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 14th Sep 18, 2:01 PM
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    You are a very sad man, following people around the forums writing one sentence replies that either offer no advice, point holes in their posts or just bully them.

    You need to get a life! The OP drove into a hole. Who cares?!
    Originally posted by Supersonos
    No Mr Anti Speeding drove into the hole and tried to pass the blame. Do try and keep up.
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    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 14th Sep 18, 2:33 PM
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    The point I was making was if I'd been in my own car would I still get the two offences so close to each other, to go from 0 to 6 points in a day seems unfair. I done the awareness course last year.
    Originally posted by Pauli2
    Quite clearly didn't learn anything the first time. Not to worry soon you won't have to worry because you'll be on 12 points and banned as I doubt that if you get 6 points you'll slow down.

    I don't speed as a rule.
    by Pauli2
    Quite clearly you do given in the space of 12 months you've been caught, done a speed awareness course, got a NIP in the post and are pretty sure you're getting a second if you already haven't.

    I drive between 1500 and 2500 miles a week, have done for much of the last 25 years. Since I passed my test in 1988 I've only ever had 3 points on it once.
    Last edited by Tarambor; 14-09-2018 at 2:36 PM.
    • facade
    • By facade 14th Sep 18, 5:10 PM
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    Put the pitchforks away people, the naughty potential CHILDREN killing speeder has been caught.


    I see the OPs point.
    When cash cameras were first brought out, much fuss was made about their "safety" aspect, how are only put at accident blackspots etc.


    However, what happens is they are placed in places, apparently so appallingly dangerous that to exceed an arbitrary number could kill CHILDREN, but when you do exceed that number, all that happens is a note is made of it so you can be charged a levy later on.


    If it is so dangerous, why aren't you stopped immediately, and told about it? Maybe we could have some sort of organisation that could do that and "police" traffic, we could even give them uniforms and call them "The Police".


    Instead you are free to make the same error of judgement or mistake (most people don't have a clue that lamp-posts = 30mph and a dual carriageway has to have a divider) time after time until the post brings enough tickets to take your licence away.


    If they had been stopped by one of these "Police" they could have learned and corrected their driving, so we would have had a safer driver and several less opportunities for CHILDREN to be killed...
    I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....

    (except air quality and Medical Science )
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 14th Sep 18, 5:31 PM
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    If they had been stopped by one of these "Police" they could have learned and corrected their driving, so we would have had a safer driver and several less opportunities for CHILDREN to be killed...
    Originally posted by facade
    But it's not an issue of the driver needing tuition and correction. Drivers have to take a driving test to show that they have already learnt these things. They know they're doing wrong, they just don't care.

    If the police pull someone over and "have words", as soon as they're out of sight, the driver will speed again as he/she got away with it. And the police can't be everywhere. Having a good network of speed cameras that issue fines automatically is much fairer and more efficient.
    • Ganga
    • By Ganga 14th Sep 18, 5:50 PM
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    Because that's what he does!

    OP, the important thing here is to take action now, don't wait. You need to get in touch with the necessary police force and explain that each offence happened on the same day and, as everyone knows, you can't get done for speeding twice on the same day. (My dad once needed to get to a meeting by a certain time, so he purposely got flashed by a speed camera first thing in the morning so he could legally do 120mph all the way to Leeds)



    You should also fight that the road should be a 40mph zone - this is very important. Get a lawyer for this if necessary. I know several people who have got off speeding tickets by showing the courts that the speed limit for the road was wrong and the speed they were travelling at was correct.



    Also mention this. As you've done the speed awareness course, you're clearly a law-abiding citizen who is fully aware of speed.

    Good luck.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    This is the biggest load of rubbish i have read on this forum
    ITS NOT EASY TO GET EVERYTHING WRONG ,I HAVE TO WORK HARD TO DO IT!
    • facade
    • By facade 14th Sep 18, 6:06 PM
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    But it's not an issue of the driver needing tuition and correction. Drivers have to take a driving test to show that they have already learnt these things. They know they're doing wrong, they just don't care.

    If the police pull someone over and "have words", as soon as they're out of sight, the driver will speed again as he/she got away with it. And the police can't be everywhere. Having a good network of speed cameras that issue fines automatically is much fairer and more efficient.
    Originally posted by esuhl



    What I meant is, if they were stopped and ticketed at the time, they might realise that the limit is in fact 30, not the 40 that it was last week rather than go on thinking that it is still 40 (which must really be dangerous or they wouldn't just drop the limit would they?)
    I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....

    (except air quality and Medical Science )
    • z1a
    • By z1a 14th Sep 18, 8:00 PM
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    This is the biggest load of rubbish i have read on this forum
    Originally posted by Ganga
    Do try to keep up.
    • RichardD1970
    • By RichardD1970 14th Sep 18, 8:11 PM
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    Instead you are free to make the same error of judgement or mistake (most people don't have a clue that lamp-posts = 30mph and a dual carriageway has to have a divider) time after time until the post brings enough tickets to take your licence away.
    Originally posted by facade
    Well they should do. They have all had their driving lessons, passed their theory and practical tests (hopefully).

    It's getting on for 30 years since I did my test and am quite confident that I could drive on any road in the country and work out the speed limit from the visual cues available.

    As for "error of judgement or mistake", strange how approaching speed cameras lots of people slow down, only to speed up again after. Clearly a conscious decision.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 15th Sep 18, 9:00 AM
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    Instead you are free to make the same error of judgement or mistake (most people don't have a clue that lamp-posts = 30mph and a dual carriageway has to have a divider) time after time until the post brings enough tickets to take your licence away.
    Originally posted by facade
    If it has been such a simple error, then the opportunity to take a Speed Awareness Course would be a very good one to accept, wouldn't it? That would remind the driver of all those things they've forgotten in the years since they knew the Highway Code for their driving test...
    • Deastons
    • By Deastons 15th Sep 18, 9:43 AM
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    This is the biggest load of rubbish i have read on this forum
    Originally posted by Ganga
    Are you calling my dad a liar? I'm hurt.
    • Hermione Granger
    • By Hermione Granger 15th Sep 18, 9:45 AM
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    Instead you are free to make the same error of judgement or mistake (most people don't have a clue that lamp-posts = 30mph and a dual carriageway has to have a divider) time after time until the post brings enough tickets to take your licence away.
    Originally posted by facade
    Lamp-posts do not automatically mean that the limit is 30mph.
    I know of many roads with a higher limit that have them and I also know of some 20mph ones.

    30mph fixed limit roads must have lamp posts but this doesn't mean that all roads with lamp posts are 30mph.
    • Arklight
    • By Arklight 15th Sep 18, 9:51 AM
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    Lamp-posts do not automatically mean that the limit is 30mph.
    I know of many roads with a higher limit that have them and I also know of some 20mph ones.

    30mph fixed limit roads must have lamp posts but this doesn't mean that all roads with lamp posts are 30mph.
    Originally posted by Hermione Granger
    Those clearly are not residential lampposts. Residential lampposts usually have posters for lost cats on them.

    Talking of which, I hope my poor cat isnít trying to cross the road when the OP is zooming by at 50 in a 30 in his van.

    Is there anything else you need to tell us OP. Amber gambling for instance?
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 15th Sep 18, 10:06 AM
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    Lamp-posts do not automatically mean that the limit is 30mph.
    I know of many roads with a higher limit that have them and I also know of some 20mph ones.

    30mph fixed limit roads must have lamp posts but this doesn't mean that all roads with lamp posts are 30mph.
    Originally posted by Hermione Granger
    And that's what repeater signs are for.
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    • Hermione Granger
    • By Hermione Granger 15th Sep 18, 10:22 AM
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    And that's what repeater signs are for.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    I know, but it still doesn't make the statement that "lamp-posts = 30mph" correct.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 15th Sep 18, 10:39 AM
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    I know, but it still doesn't make the statement that "lamp-posts = 30mph" correct.
    Originally posted by Hermione Granger
    Without repeaters and the correct spacing it does.
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    • Hermione Granger
    • By Hermione Granger 15th Sep 18, 12:03 PM
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    Without repeaters and the correct spacing it does.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    And if my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle.

    I must have missed the bit where facade mentioned repeaters and lamp post spacing because all I remember reading was a statement saying "lamp-posts = 30mph", a statement that without having any caveats added to it, is incorrect.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 15th Sep 18, 12:13 PM
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    And if my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle.

    I must have missed the bit where facade mentioned repeaters and lamp post spacing because all I remember reading was a statement saying "lamp-posts = 30mph", a statement that without having any caveats added to it, is incorrect.
    Originally posted by Hermione Granger
    He didn't mention repeaters you're correct and therefore the speed limit would be 30mph.
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    • jaybeetoo
    • By jaybeetoo 15th Sep 18, 12:30 PM
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    Same camera but in different cars. The first is when I was returning in a pool car and about 15 mins later coming back in my private car. I've paid the £100 fine and sent my DL off for my offence and now the works car notice has arrived, I'm waiting find out from work exactly the date it was issued. However in the case everything was done correctly what are my chances of getting one offence cancelled due to the close proximity of the offences and only 3 points being applied? Thanks.
    Originally posted by Pauli2
    It is up to a court to decide if these count as one offence. If you want to fight it then engage a solicitor who is a specialist in this area.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 15th Sep 18, 12:35 PM
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    It is up to a court to decide if these count as one offence. If you want to fight it then engage a solicitor who is a specialist in this area.
    Originally posted by jaybeetoo
    Ultimately it would be up to a court to decide, but do you think that's worthwhile advice?
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 15th Sep 18, 12:40 PM
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    I know, but it still doesn't make the statement that "lamp-posts = 30mph" correct.
    Originally posted by Hermione Granger
    Look, it's very simple. EVERY SINGLE person who passed their driving test in the UK has known this at one point.


    Are there repeaters? They tell you the limit.
    No repeaters? Are there streetlights? 30.
    No repeaters or streetlights? NSL.
    So what's NSL? Count the carriageways. One? 60. Two? 70.
    Bingo. You always know the prevailing, enforceable speed limit, within a few hundred metres at most.



    And, to pre-empt... That's for cars/motorcycles/small vans. Bigger stuff differs.
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