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    • cottlad
    • By cottlad 13th Sep 18, 5:51 PM
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    TA Paid Leave Entitlement Question
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    • 13th Sep 18, 5:51 PM
    TA Paid Leave Entitlement Question 13th Sep 18 at 5:51 PM
    Hiya
    My wifey just got qualified and taken on at a local school for 27.5hrs/week. Yay
    Her pay is pro rata on scale 17,681.
    On her terms of employment it gives an equation as follows:
    17,681 x 27.5/37 x 190/229

    What does the 190/229 bit account for? Does this include paid leave entitlement?
    My theory is that she'll be actually working 39 weeks but should acrue paid leave during that so should be actually paid for 43 or so weeks? Amirite? Obviously any leave has to be taken during school holidays.

    Any help appreciated cheers.
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 13th Sep 18, 6:19 PM
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    Working days I suspect; but it’s a strange calculation.

    Actually I’m unclear about the paid leave bit- I’ll stick with the not included in the calculation but given I’m yet to resolve my partners similar situation I’ll leave it as probably not including.

    You’re mostly correct, it’s 5.6 weeks leave per year, but pro rata’d - but she may be due enhanced leave as per contract.
    • General Grant
    • By General Grant 14th Sep 18, 3:19 PM
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    • 14th Sep 18, 3:19 PM
    Hiya
    My wifey just got qualified and taken on at a local school for 27.5hrs/week. Yay
    Her pay is pro rata on scale 17,681.
    On her terms of employment it gives an equation as follows:
    17,681 x 27.5/37 x 190/229

    What does the 190/229 bit account for? Does this include paid leave entitlement?
    My theory is that she'll be actually working 39 weeks but should acrue paid leave during that so should be actually paid for 43 or so weeks? Amirite? Obviously any leave has to be taken during school holidays.

    Any help appreciated cheers.
    Originally posted by cottlad

    Is is a "permanent" contract or is the calculation up to, for example, Easter?
    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 14th Sep 18, 3:56 PM
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    • 14th Sep 18, 3:56 PM
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    Is her contract term time only or term time plus 2 weeks?

    That would explain the 190/229. 190 would be 38 full weeks, whereas the 229 may be the number of days full time including holidays that full timers work.

    Teachers are considered to be full time when working 195 days, of which 190 can be teaching pupils. So the 229 is odd.
    Last edited by silvercar; 14-09-2018 at 4:00 PM.
    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 14th Sep 18, 4:11 PM
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    A bit of googling. TAs are very often employed on term time only contracts. So would be paid for say 38 weeks a year plus pro-rata annual leave.

    So if you were entitled to 5.6 weeks a year, on a 38 week contract that reduces to 5.6 x 38/ 52= 4.1 weeks. Either that is going to be added to the days required to work or used to cover eg bank holidays in term time.

    It may be that the 190 includes some leave days - it certainly should!
    • PersianCatLady
    • By PersianCatLady 15th Sep 18, 1:18 AM
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    • 15th Sep 18, 1:18 AM
    Hiya
    My wifey just got qualified and taken on at a local school for 27.5hrs/week. Yay
    Her pay is pro rata on scale 17,681.
    On her terms of employment it gives an equation as follows:
    17,681 x 27.5/37 x 190/229

    What does the 190/229 bit account for? Does this include paid leave entitlement?
    My theory is that she'll be actually working 39 weeks but should acrue paid leave during that so should be actually paid for 43 or so weeks? Amirite? Obviously any leave has to be taken during school holidays.

    Any help appreciated cheers.
    Originally posted by cottlad
    The best thing your wife can do is to ask the school to explain how the calculation works.

    That way, she will get an accurate answer.
    • cottlad
    • By cottlad 20th Sep 18, 6:34 PM
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    • 20th Sep 18, 6:34 PM
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    • 20th Sep 18, 6:34 PM
    The school doesn't seem very sure at all lol. It does say in the small print that holiday entitlement will be added to salary so think best we just wait for 1st payslip and see what it says.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 20th Sep 18, 11:07 PM
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    • 20th Sep 18, 11:07 PM
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    A bit of googling. TAs are very often employed on term time only contracts. So would be paid for say 38 weeks a year plus pro-rata annual leave.

    So if you were entitled to 5.6 weeks a year, on a 38 week contract that reduces to 5.6 x 38/ 52= 4.1 weeks. Either that is going to be added to the days required to work or used to cover eg bank holidays in term time.

    It may be that the 190 includes some leave days - it certainly should!
    Originally posted by silvercar
    52 weeks includes holiday weeks the correct calculation if you work 38 is.

    5.6 x 38/(52-5.6)
    • ffacoffipawb
    • By ffacoffipawb 21st Sep 18, 8:09 PM
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    • 21st Sep 18, 8:09 PM
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    • 21st Sep 18, 8:09 PM
    52 weeks includes holiday weeks the correct calculation if you work 38 is.

    5.6 x 38/(52-5.6)
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    Not sure you should deduct the 5.6 in the denominator.

    What if a full timer gets 26 weeks a year, the 38 weeker gets

    26 x 38 / (52 - 26) = 38

    So all holidays. Woo hoo!!!
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 21st Sep 18, 8:46 PM
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    Not sure you should deduct the 5.6 in the denominator.

    What if a full timer gets 26 weeks a year, the 38 weeker gets

    26 x 38 / (52 - 26) = 38

    So all holidays. Woo hoo!!!
    Originally posted by ffacoffipawb

    The holidays are additional to the work weeks they don't replace them.

    If 26 weeks earns 26 weeks holiday that's the year 52 weeks used you can't work more than 26 weeks.
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