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    • Alloneword
    • By Alloneword 12th Sep 18, 1:20 AM
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    Everyone seems to want to shove you onto a smart meter
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    • 12th Sep 18, 1:20 AM
    Everyone seems to want to shove you onto a smart meter 12th Sep 18 at 1:20 AM
    I'm with ExtraEnergy and they say everyone with them will be forced onto a smart meter by 2020 and all the supplies i have checked seem to want to shove you on this as well, it seems like they are leaving us with no choice, any suggested suppliers who won't shove me onto a smart meter
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    • Carrot007
    • By Carrot007 12th Sep 18, 1:46 AM
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    • 12th Sep 18, 1:46 AM
    I'm with ExtraEnergy and they say everyone with them will be forced onto a smart meter by 2020 and all the supplies i have checked seem to want to shove you on this as well, it seems like they are leaving us with no choice, any suggested suppliers who won't shove me onto a smart meter
    Originally posted by Alloneword

    Why are you so bothered?


    No they pose no more health issue than a mobile phone and you will not be as close.


    You get accurate bills. At least until you leave at which point you are no worse off (and there are some smets2 going on).


    You will get a smart meter eventually as that is all they will be fitting. However the smart part can not be activated if you wish and if you do set to your data collection preferences.


    Why do you want a second class system?
    • Peanut8472
    • By Peanut8472 12th Sep 18, 8:16 AM
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    • 12th Sep 18, 8:16 AM
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    • 12th Sep 18, 8:16 AM
    Accurate bills? I currently submit my readings, and i am billed for what i've used?
    • Houbara
    • By Houbara 12th Sep 18, 9:11 AM
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    • 12th Sep 18, 9:11 AM
    I'm with ExtraEnergy and they say everyone with them will be forced onto a smart meter by 2020 and all the supplies i have checked seem to want to shove you on this as well, it seems like they are leaving us with no choice, any suggested suppliers who won't shove me onto a smart meter
    Originally posted by Alloneword
    They will all attempt to fit a smart meter. At the moment they are not mandatory so you can request a meter, if and when the replacement time comes for your old meter, for one which operates in dumb mode. That may well be a smart meter with the comms hub disabled so it is in effect a dumb meter
    . I think that will be the full extent of what rights anyone has in choosing which utility meters for their properties are installed.. a weird concept IMO.
    The Tory Minister who gave the population of the UK public rights to refuse smart meters opened up just another unnecessary expense to the roll out costs. I wonder how much all these TV adverts will cost as they try to sell the system to the public.. another billion ?.
    Why not just do what the rest of Europe (minus the Swedes/Germans ) did and make them mandatory to begin with. The Spanish, French, Italians all complied without any fuss
    • Alloneword
    • By Alloneword 13th Sep 18, 6:41 PM
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    • 13th Sep 18, 6:41 PM
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    • 13th Sep 18, 6:41 PM
    I just don't like them as i have my own theories as to why they want to shove them on us, as for paying the right amount each month i have no issues sending a reading every 30 days, i wonder what sticking a huge magnet on these new things will do? Just a thought you understand.

    All1
    • matelodave
    • By matelodave 13th Sep 18, 6:45 PM
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    • 13th Sep 18, 6:45 PM
    You dont have to have a smart meter however you wont get the better deals unless you have one as suppliers are being fined if they don't install them.

    BTW
    The UK’s smart meter scheme was introduced by Labour leader Ed Miliband, when he was energy and climate change secretary. The labour government had a habit of chucking big technology schemes at problems; the difference is that this one made it off the drawing board – unlike a 2006 brainwave from Ed’s brother David for carbon rationing credit cards – and survived the current government’s cull of such schemes.
    Last edited by matelodave; 13-09-2018 at 6:48 PM.
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    • lewisa
    • By lewisa 13th Sep 18, 6:53 PM
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    Energy companies are invariably horrendously idiotic and can't be trusted to run a bath. They often make billing or accounting errors and it can be an extremely Kafkaesque process in resolving such matters.



    Forget any tinfoil hat nonsense. The reason I'm avoiding one is that while a dumb meter is located inside a residential property then it cannot be disconnected without judicial oversight.



    Having had Scottish Power take a previous occupant of my home to court while the property was under my ownership, leaving me to appear in court and explain the situation, i'll be avoiding them as long as possible.
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 13th Sep 18, 7:25 PM
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    • 13th Sep 18, 7:25 PM
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    • 13th Sep 18, 7:25 PM
    Energy companies are invariably horrendously idiotic and can't be trusted to run a bath. They often make billing or accounting errors and it can be an extremely Kafkaesque process in resolving such matters.



    Forget any tinfoil hat nonsense. The reason I'm avoiding one is that while a dumb meter is located inside a residential property then it cannot be disconnected without judicial oversight.



    Having had Scottish Power take a previous occupant of my home to court while the property was under my ownership, leaving me to appear in court and explain the situation, i'll be avoiding them as long as possible.
    Originally posted by lewisa
    I share many of your concerns but, as things stand, I believe that consumers will increasingly see that the cheapest deals on the market will be restricted to consumers who agree to, or have a smart meter. It will be interesting to see how many people will continue to put their principles before their wallets.
    • lewisa
    • By lewisa 13th Sep 18, 8:21 PM
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    • 13th Sep 18, 8:21 PM
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    • 13th Sep 18, 8:21 PM
    I share many of your concerns but, as things stand, I believe that consumers will increasingly see that the cheapest deals on the market will be restricted to consumers who agree to, or have a smart meter. It will be interesting to see how many people will continue to put their principles before their wallets.
    Originally posted by Hengus

    The irony of this being that once a critical mass of smarts are in-situ and variable pricing kicks in with gusto, it will become an even more obfuscated comparison between the cheap smart deal and the apparantly expensive dumb.


    I'll be in the avoid camp forever.
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 13th Sep 18, 9:15 PM
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    Last year, Npower told me that they were doing my area and asked me to choose a date. I called to say I didn't want one and they said they would add my name to the list of people not wishing to be pestered and they kept their word.
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 14th Sep 18, 8:04 AM
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    Last year, Npower told me that they were doing my area and asked me to choose a date. I called to say I didn't want one and they said they would add my name to the list of people not wishing to be pestered and they kept their word.
    Originally posted by teddysmum
    Sadly, 'no' doesn't mean 'no'. This is an extract from the policy direction given to suppliers by Ofgem:

    Quote:

    While consumers are not obliged to have a smart meter installed, suppliers should consider appropriate re-contact strategies based on customers’ preferences, contact history and reasons for not previously accepting a smart meter. Unquote

    This policy needs to be seen in terms of the strategic policy set by Ofgem:

    Quote: Energy suppliers are required to take all reasonable steps to roll out smart meters to all their domestic and small business customers by the end of 2020 Unquote
    • Uxb
    • By Uxb 14th Sep 18, 8:06 AM
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    Accurate bills? I currently submit my readings, and i am billed for what i've used?
    Originally posted by Peanut8472
    Yes but if you spend any time on here you will know that most don't submit readings and the result is a mess.

    I'm dealing at the moment as an executor of a deceased with an energy account where the meter was not read, no readings were submitted so the actually energy used got totally out of kilter c.f the DD going out. Result a mega black hole in the energy account going back multiple years to be paid by the estate and sorted out - and we are not talking of £100's here - it's in the multiple £1000's.
    The executors will claim they can only back bill for the last year of usage and that amount in itself is unknown cue more argument with the only known accurate agreed reading done back in 2014. The shortfall of previous years which cannot be billed for will be absorbed by the energy company and will result in some way towards prices for the rest of you going up.

    This would never have happened with smart meters.
    • chrisw99
    • By chrisw99 14th Sep 18, 9:38 AM
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    Yes but if you spend any time on here you will know that most don't submit readings and the result is a mess.

    I'm dealing at the moment as an executor of a deceased with an energy account where the meter was not read, no readings were submitted so the actually energy used got totally out of kilter c.f the DD going out. Result a mega black hole in the energy account going back multiple years to be paid by the estate and sorted out - and we are not talking of £100's here - it's in the multiple £1000's.
    The executors will claim they can only back bill for the last year of usage and that amount in itself is unknown cue more argument with the only known accurate agreed reading done back in 2014. The shortfall of previous years which cannot be billed for will be absorbed by the energy company and will result in some way towards prices for the rest of you going up.

    This would never have happened with smart meters.
    Originally posted by Uxb
    I thought the supplier would try and get a physical reading if they've not had one for a while? I submit my meter readings at the start of the month and have done for years, never had someone call to read the meter. But I had a couple of months where I was away from home so it got estimated, and they sent someone to read the meter the following month even though I'd just done it, and when I tried to refuse to let him in because I'd submitted it myself he said he had to because they'd not had a true reading for 2 months.
    • lewisa
    • By lewisa 14th Sep 18, 10:29 AM
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    Yes but if you spend any time on here you will know that most don't submit readings and the result is a mess.

    I'm dealing at the moment as an executor of a deceased with an energy account where the meter was not read, no readings were submitted so the actually energy used got totally out of kilter c.f the DD going out. Result a mega black hole in the energy account going back multiple years to be paid by the estate and sorted out - and we are not talking of £100's here - it's in the multiple £1000's.
    The executors will claim they can only back bill for the last year of usage and that amount in itself is unknown cue more argument with the only known accurate agreed reading done back in 2014. The shortfall of previous years which cannot be billed for will be absorbed by the energy company and will result in some way towards prices for the rest of you going up.

    This would never have happened with smart meters.
    Originally posted by Uxb
    Just like supermarkets encouraging customers to do their checkout work for them, causing carrot sales to go through roof while avocado sales collapse, losing them thousands.

    If energy companies want to get their customers to do their work for them, they should expect stuff like this to happen.
    • nic_c
    • By nic_c 14th Sep 18, 1:35 PM
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    There is no requirement to have one installed, even on cheapest plan. Pre register but don't agree a date. They are just required to offer you it
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 14th Sep 18, 1:51 PM
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    There is no requirement to have one installed, even on cheapest plan. Pre register but don't agree a date. They are just required to offer you it
    Originally posted by nic_c
    Cave - some of the suppliers’ tariff terms and conditions require the fitting of a smart meter. If the customer has a change of mind, then the default position may be that the tariff is withdrawn and the customer will find themselves back on the supplier’s SVT with billing from the contract start date.

    Example:

    If you are eligible for smart meters, and don’t already have them and don’t book an appointment for installation (where you are at the appointment or arrange for an alternative person to be at the appointment) within 3 months of coming on supply or switching to this tariff, we may contact you and give you 30 days to choose a different tariff. If you don’t choose a different tariff or don’t book a smart meter appointment after we have contacted you, we’ll switch your tariff to a similar tariff (which doesn’t require a smart meter) which we have available for you at the time.
    Last edited by Hengus; 14-09-2018 at 1:58 PM.
    • roddydogs
    • By roddydogs 14th Sep 18, 2:23 PM
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    So what happens when they become compolsory, and I refuse?
    • chrisw99
    • By chrisw99 14th Sep 18, 2:33 PM
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    So what happens when they become compolsory, and I refuse?
    Originally posted by roddydogs
    I doubt they'll ever become compulsory, they'll just gradually become the only ones available when your old one needs replacing.
    • Houbara
    • By Houbara 14th Sep 18, 2:34 PM
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    I just don't like them as i have my own theories as to why they want to shove them on us, as for paying the right amount each month i have no issues sending a reading every 30 days, i wonder what sticking a huge magnet on these new things will do? Just a thought you understand.

    All1
    Originally posted by Alloneword
    That old scam may have worked 60 years ago but now even the old dial meters with the rotating metal barrel are made out of anti magnetic metal so it will not work and certainly does nt work with any digital meters.
    Modern smart meters will mark the end of internal meter tampers.You have only got to look at them and they send back alerts to the supplier.They have anti tamper sensors built into the meters
    Eg a colleague of mine was at an address for a meter reading where the local gasman had removed the smart gas meter for a while. British Gas rang the occupier up to enquire why the gas meter was removed not long after the meter was removed.
    Proof positive that smart meters will eradicate gas and electric theft except for the most determined and skilled .
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 14th Sep 18, 3:19 PM
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    So what happens when they become compolsory, and I refuse?
    Originally posted by roddydogs
    In 2013, a neighbour refused to accept that analogue TV was being turned off in our region. She wrote to everyone and anyone. She received a Govt response from our MP which said that no one was forcing her to replace her 20 year old TV!

    My guess is that customers who refuse smart meters will become the Economy 10 legacy customers of the future with reducing switching and tariff options as Time-of-Use tariffs become the norm.

    It took my neighbour a month before she gave in, and bought a cheap second hand digital TV from a local charity shop.
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