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    • Peanut8472
    • By Peanut8472 10th Sep 18, 4:08 PM
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    Energy Usage 2018
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    • 10th Sep 18, 4:08 PM
    Energy Usage 2018 10th Sep 18 at 4:08 PM
    Hi, i've searched but cannot find any recent threads detailing this. i'm interested in what people actual use. It would be detailed in your last 'annual usage / renewal' letter.



    My last 12 months usage was:-


    Electricity: 3000kwh

    Gas : 25000kwh



    For: 3 bed semi, solid walls and a combi boiler.



    Any replies appreciated.
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    • Gwendolyn
    • By Gwendolyn 13th Sep 18, 5:29 PM
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    7500 for electricity! Ouch

    We have oil boiler and a woodburner.

    5 bed drafty old cottage with 5 inhabitants. There are permanently several computers on. I also do 2 loads of laundry per day and use a tumble drier 5x a week min in the winter.
    • Peanut8472
    • By Peanut8472 13th Sep 18, 6:33 PM
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    Chris, your 2016 gas usage was approaching mine! We have gas hob, and to be fair, once i'd though about it, we also had an open basket fire on most nights through winter, which was basically sending heat straight up the chimney.....but it looked so warm and cosy!



    I've blocked chimney off this year! And instead, was looking on Amazon for a 'Flame Effect' bulb, to hide under a pile of logs
    • Peanut8472
    • By Peanut8472 13th Sep 18, 8:22 PM
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    Just a further thought. There are obviouslys a LOT of variables to consider when comparing energy usage. I found this from OFGEM. It relates to the previous 'average consumption' figures from 2003. Looks like they updated them in 2011, and again in 2017.



    Typical medium consumption figures 20,500 kWh 3,300 kWh (2003-2011)

    Typical medium consumption figures 16,500 kWh 3,300 kWh (2011)

    Typical medium consumption figures 12,000 kWh 3,100 kWh (2017)



    and :
    Typical high consumption values: Gas - 23,000 kWh, Electricity - 5,100 kWh (2003-2011).


    So based on the old figures i feel much better


    Perhaps one factor for the reduction is gas usage but not electric, is that as time goes by, the proportion of all the tiny little houses (and therefore cheaper to heat but containing the same electrical gadgets) being built is increasing
    Last edited by Peanut8472; 13-09-2018 at 8:29 PM.
    • chrisw99
    • By chrisw99 14th Sep 18, 9:31 AM
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    Lots of factors change it over the years. We've had kids growing up so have gone from perhaps running the washing machine 3 times a week, to sometimes 3 times a day! Same with the dishwasher.

    I'm just glad we're not yet on a water meter!

    On the positive side, I changed every bulb in my house to LED last year.

    Getting smart meters fitted soon, so I should be able to analyse in a bit more detail how much running the washing machine costs and things like that.
    • Peanut8472
    • By Peanut8472 14th Sep 18, 10:06 AM
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    Heh! don't mention LED's to me! I've tried so many different ones over the years, and found problems with most of them. Flickering, and poor dimming solutions being the worst.

    They've finally started making some decent ones, but in my experience, the good ones are few and far between (and bloody expensive!).

    On similar note, i'd been waiting for OLED Tv's for ages, but it seems now they're here, they're no more energy efficient than LED t'vs. Although still half the usage of my plasma

    I've forbidden the use of the Tumble Dryer this year though, so hopefully that should save a few quid
    • chrisw99
    • By chrisw99 14th Sep 18, 10:46 AM
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    Same here, tried a few LEDs a few years back and they were horrible. Our living room and dining room both have 5 candle bulbs so that was probably costing a fortune and I was always put off having to buy 10 LED candle bulbs at nearly 10 each, but the price dropped and I think it was Tesco own brand warm white ones that we went for.

    We've been talking gas so far, but I've noticed my electric usage is double the average for a 3 bed semi...

    https://ibb.co/b5SeFU

    But my wife does work from home, so when most homes are not usually using much, the lights are on, the PC is on, the kettle will be going.
    • Peanut8472
    • By Peanut8472 14th Sep 18, 11:26 AM
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    Heh, i was going to suggest getting her an LED headtorch, but you already have LED lighting


    Still seems a lot though. Do you have a dishwasher? They (at 2kwh/day) can be 700kwh alone over the course of a year.


    I suppose at the end of the day, it comes down to convenience v cost.
    • chrisw99
    • By chrisw99 14th Sep 18, 12:08 PM
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    Yeah got a dishwasher on twice a day
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 14th Sep 18, 12:55 PM
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    Threads of this nature provide little in the way of illumination. Usage differs in families; homes have different build qualities and locations are different to name but a few of the variables. High users feel bad; low users feel smug. The truth is that Ofgem monitors household usage and it updates typical values each year. Even without smart meters, usage is falling year on year as consumers buy more energy efficient TVs; lights and household appliances. That said, in the next decade we will likely see electricity use increase as more people switch to an electric vehicle.

    https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/gas/retail-market/monitoring-data-and-statistics/typical-domestic-consumption-values
    • Houbara
    • By Houbara 14th Sep 18, 1:30 PM
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    Same here, tried a few LEDs a few years back and they were horrible. Our living room and dining room both have 5 candle bulbs so that was probably costing a fortune and I was always put off having to buy 10 LED candle bulbs at nearly 10 each, but the price dropped and I think it was Tesco own brand warm white ones that we went for.

    We've been talking gas so far, but I've noticed my electric usage is double the average for a 3 bed semi...

    https://ibb.co/b5SeFU

    But my wife does work from home, so when most homes are not usually using much, the lights are on, the PC is on, the kettle will be going.
    Originally posted by chrisw99
    I thought the same a few years ago when I first tried a batch of 4 x 3 watt GU14 in the kitchen..dreadful..too dim but times have changed and importantly the wattage has gone up and the price right down.Eg Screwfix 4 pack of 5.9 watt E14 ( small screw ) candle bulbs is currently 6.47 at Screwfix (forget Tesco price ) which is only 1.60 each
    .
    The light from them in a bank of 4 pendant lights for the lounge is bright enough. I now have 2 x 4 pendants of warm white in my lounge and the total wattage of all 8 is only 47 watts..Equal to just one of those 50 watt Halogen Gu14 that people have by the dozen in kitchens. A row of 4 x 6 watt LED spots is also perfect for medium sized kitchens and plenty bright enough. I think that 5.5 to 6 watts should be the minimum wattage for any LED s
    Well known auction sites sell these 6 watt LED candles much cheaper than Screwfix but I don`t trust them after I saw a BBC Fake Britain prog where they showed instances of highly dangerous bulbs which were live to the touch when switched on, coming out of these outlets from the Chinese sweatshops..
    I don`t trust Ebay or Amazon at all nowadays because of the numbers of counterfeit goods on sale so I will stick to recognised brands like Screwfix for bulbs. I bought a few 1 candle LED s from the late Poundworld and they are still going strong
    Last edited by Houbara; 14-09-2018 at 2:25 PM.
    • Peanut8472
    • By Peanut8472 15th Sep 18, 8:13 PM
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    Far from it Hengis, i've found it quite informative.


    Whats yours btw?
    • Lotak
    • By Lotak 17th Sep 18, 9:32 AM
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    We've got a brand new boiler.
    In the 9 months to September, we've used 16,200 kWh for gas and 3016 for electricity.

    4 bedroom house, but only 2 rooms currently are constantly heated (other 2 unused). Will be 3 in December ...

    There's something iffy about our boiler or heating system. Something seems to drain energy without being put to good work.
    Current Debt (excluding mortgage) - 14.9k
    • chrisw99
    • By chrisw99 17th Sep 18, 10:20 AM
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    We've got a brand new boiler.
    In the 9 months to September, we've used 16,200 kWh for gas and 3016 for electricity.

    4 bedroom house, but only 2 rooms currently are constantly heated (other 2 unused). Will be 3 in December ...

    There's something iffy about our boiler or heating system. Something seems to drain energy without being put to good work.
    Originally posted by Lotak
    I presume you had no heating on during the heatwave? How much kWh did you use in a single summer month( June or July )?
    • MoneySavingAtWork
    • By MoneySavingAtWork 17th Sep 18, 1:59 PM
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    Electricity - 1480 KWh (with 3.975KWh solar PV system, no storage)
    Gas - 8665 KWh

    3 bedroom terraced house, combi boiler, gas cooker.
    • PennineAcute
    • By PennineAcute 17th Sep 18, 3:05 PM
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    1 person, 1 bedroom ground floor flat, concrete walls, with little insulation

    2017

    Elec 2702
    Gas 4743

    2018 (Estimated from spreadsheet)

    Elec 2444
    Gas 6673
    • ajbell
    • By ajbell 17th Sep 18, 4:52 PM
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    11000 kwh gas and 900 kwh of elec in large 4 bed house.
    I do have 4kw pv system which I use to the max.
    4kWp, South facing, 16 x phono solar panels, Solis inverter, Lincolnshire.
    • Peanut8472
    • By Peanut8472 17th Sep 18, 5:27 PM
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    Been looking at PV myself, but can't really justify it atm, and i hear the Govt are cutting their subsidy from march :/


    I'm sure it would have come in handy for the electric car in a few years time
    • MoneySavingAtWork
    • By MoneySavingAtWork 18th Sep 18, 8:46 AM
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    Been looking at PV myself, but can't really justify it atm, and i hear the Govt are cutting their subsidy from march :/


    I'm sure it would have come in handy for the electric car in a few years time
    Originally posted by Peanut8472
    All the more reason to get it now while you can still get something back for it, although its not anywhere near as competitive as it once was. You can still get a feed in tariff locked in for 20 years if you get an installation and sign up before March 2019.

    After that date there is no financial incentive for solar beyond saving on your bills which is a real shame. The feed in tariff was such a great thing because regular people could get paid a fair deal for the energy produced and reduce the reliance on dirty energy sources.
    • Peanut8472
    • By Peanut8472 18th Sep 18, 12:36 PM
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    I agree with everything you say. And if i was staying here for another 20 years...
    • chrisw99
    • By chrisw99 18th Sep 18, 1:01 PM
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    11000 kwh gas and 900 kwh of elec in large 4 bed house.
    I do have 4kw pv system which I use to the max.
    Originally posted by ajbell
    Do you happen to know what your yearly usage would be without the pv system, have you got readings from before?

    (looking at your numbers enviously... less than half my gas usage, and an eighth of my elec usage!)
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