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    • kinny999
    • By kinny999 12th Aug 18, 6:07 PM
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    Free nest or similar anywhere?
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    • 12th Aug 18, 6:07 PM
    Free nest or similar anywhere? 12th Aug 18 at 6:07 PM
    Evening all,

    IM just searching through quidco and here prior to moving supplier as our 2 year deal has just expired, is any body aware of any energy suppliers offering free (or heavily subsidised) nest thermostats (or similar) as part of a new customer deal currently?

    Had a quick search but could see any threads sticking out.

    Much obliged for any replies.

    John
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    • AndyPK
    • By AndyPK 12th Aug 18, 6:31 PM
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    • 12th Aug 18, 6:31 PM
    No such thing as free. They just add 300 or whatever onto your tarrif over a year. An interest free loan!

    Think they are a waste of time myself. A house takes time to warm up. No point turning it on, on your way home and expect a warm house 15 mins later
    • kinny999
    • By kinny999 13th Aug 18, 10:36 AM
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    Thank for your opinion Andy.
    • giraffe69
    • By giraffe69 13th Aug 18, 10:54 AM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 10:54 AM
    You might turn it on more than 15 minutes before you arrive home! I have Hive and it is good at ensuring a warm home on arrival and I imagine nest is as well.
    • JJ Egan
    • By JJ Egan 13th Aug 18, 12:55 PM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 12:55 PM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 12:55 PM
    This winter i worked out the cost of the system .
    Then worked out how many times i came home to a cold house and wished i had been able to put the heating on . Almost none was the answer especially as the heating is on a timer anyway .
    • Blackbeard of Perranporth
    • By Blackbeard of Perranporth 13th Aug 18, 1:01 PM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 1:01 PM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 1:01 PM
    My thermostat keeps my CH on 24/7 365 days a year, and does not track where I am either! I never come home to a cold house, and since my free cavity wall insulation, my consumption has dropped by 2,000kWh!
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    • takman
    • By takman 13th Aug 18, 1:04 PM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 1:04 PM
    This winter i worked out the cost of the system .
    Then worked out how many times i came home to a cold house and wished i had been able to put the heating on . Almost none was the answer especially as the heating is on a timer anyway .
    Originally posted by JJ Egan
    If the heating is on a timer and you don't come home at the same time each day then you are wasting energy by having the heating on when your not home. Also if you prefer different temperatures at different times of the day (such as when sleeping) then the smart thermostats are easier to set this (and some learn this and apply it automatically).

    The benefits of smart thermostats are that you can have your home at the temperature you want at all times as energy efficiently as possible because it's doesn't waste energy by being on when your not there.
    • kinny999
    • By kinny999 13th Aug 18, 2:43 PM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 2:43 PM
    While i appreciate everybody telling me why it's not all it's cracked up to be, I would like one for our house for a number of reasons that would make it worthwhile to me and my family, hence my original post.
    • The Green Hornet
    • By The Green Hornet 13th Aug 18, 4:35 PM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 4:35 PM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 4:35 PM
    Evening all,

    IM just searching through quidco and here prior to moving supplier as our 2 year deal has just expired, is any body aware of any energy suppliers offering free (or heavily subsidised) nest thermostats (or similar) as part of a new customer deal currently?

    Had a quick search but could see any threads sticking out.

    Much obliged for any replies.

    John
    Originally posted by kinny999
    Green Star Energy has something called a Thermo Saver product which includes a tado Smart Termostat.

    http://www.mygreenstarenergy.com/Our-Energy-Tariffs/Thermo-Saver

    I don't know much about Green Star Energy, or whether the tariff is cheap/expensive, but I do have a tado Smart Thermostat myself and it does what it says on the tin.
    • ValiantSon
    • By ValiantSon 13th Aug 18, 5:14 PM
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    If you really want Nest, then why not just buy it and get it installed? This would allow you to choose the best value energy tariff(s) for your needs, rather than looking for one with a free smart thermostat. Nest charge 279 with installation, or you could buy one for 170 from Amazon and find an independent installer (Nest will give you a long list of local installers https://nest.com/uk/nest-pro-installation/?from-footer=true). If you contact some installers to get a price before buying the unit, then you can make a decision on the best route (although it will probably be cheaper to source the thermostat and installation separately).
    • ValiantSon
    • By ValiantSon 13th Aug 18, 5:17 PM
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    Green Star Energy has something called a Thermo Saver product which includes a tado Smart Termostat.

    http://www.mygreenstarenergy.com/Our-Energy-Tariffs/Thermo-Saver

    I don't know much about Green Star Energy, or whether the tariff is cheap/expensive, but I do have a tado Smart Thermostat myself and it does what it says on the tin.
    Originally posted by The Green Hornet
    Interesting that you can't get the unit prices or standing charges for this tariff from the website! I tend not to trust companies who hide the cost from me.
    • takman
    • By takman 13th Aug 18, 5:34 PM
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    If you really want Nest, then why not just buy it and get it installed? This would allow you to choose the best value energy tariff(s) for your needs, rather than looking for one with a free smart thermostat. Nest charge 279 with installation, or you could buy one for 170 from Amazon and find an independent installer (Nest will give you a long list of local installers https://nest.com/uk/nest-pro-installation/?from-footer=true). If you contact some installers to get a price before buying the unit, then you can make a decision on the best route (although it will probably be cheaper to source the thermostat and installation separately).
    Originally posted by ValiantSon
    Why would you pay for installation it's only a couple of wires and comes with very comprehensive instructions!.
    • ValiantSon
    • By ValiantSon 13th Aug 18, 6:04 PM
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    Why would you pay for installation it's only a couple of wires and comes with very comprehensive instructions!.
    Originally posted by takman
    Because not everyone has the confidence to do it themselves. I didn't say that I would pay for installation, but I don't assume that everyone has the same confidence level as me.
    • Blackbeard of Perranporth
    • By Blackbeard of Perranporth 13th Aug 18, 6:25 PM
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    If the heating is on a timer and you don't come home at the same time each day then you are wasting energy by having the heating on when your not home. Also if you prefer different temperatures at different times of the day (such as when sleeping) then the smart thermostats are easier to set this (and some learn this and apply it automatically).

    The benefits of smart thermostats are that you can have your home at the temperature you want at all times as energy efficiently as possible because it's doesn't waste energy by being on when your not there.
    Originally posted by takman
    Bull shine. I leave home to go to the mill at 7:10 am give or take five minutes. I get home between 5 and half past every day. My thermostat does the rest without mt having to be tracked, paying for the privilege.

    Also, having my heating on 24/7 keeps my home free of condensate. The cavity wall insulation has reduce my consumption by about 15% on top.
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    • takman
    • By takman 14th Aug 18, 12:50 PM
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    Because not everyone has the confidence to do it themselves. I didn't say that I would pay for installation, but I don't assume that everyone has the same confidence level as me.
    Originally posted by ValiantSon
    But you assumed that the OP wouldn't be able to do it themselves and would have to get it installed. You didn't say "You can buy it and install it yourself or get someone to install it"

    Bull shine. I leave home to go to the mill at 7:10 am give or take five minutes. I get home between 5 and half past every day. My thermostat does the rest without mt having to be tracked, paying for the privilege.
    Originally posted by Blackbeard of Perranporth
    Obviously if your leave a boring life with a set routine every single day then you probably wouldn't benefit from it over a timed system. Even if people come home the same time each weekday they usually don't have a set routine on weekends/days off.

    If your paranoid about being traced then you would probably have the location on your mobile device turned off and just turn it on yourself when your on you way home.

    Also, having my heating on 24/7 keeps my home free of condensate. The cavity wall insulation has reduce my consumption by about 15% on top.
    Originally posted by Blackbeard of Perranporth
    Having your heating on 24/7 is a massive waste of energy and a properly built house will not have any problems with any period of the heating being turned off.
    • ValiantSon
    • By ValiantSon 14th Aug 18, 3:52 PM
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    But you assumed that the OP wouldn't be able to do it themselves and would have to get it installed. You didn't say "You can buy it and install it yourself or get someone to install it"
    Originally posted by takman
    I can't be bothered arguing with you about this. All you appear to post are argumentative, rather than helpful, comments.
    • Blackbeard of Perranporth
    • By Blackbeard of Perranporth 15th Aug 18, 12:18 PM
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    Obviously if your leave a boring life with a set routine every single day then you probably wouldn't benefit from it over a timed system. Even if people come home the same time each weekday they usually don't have a set routine on weekends/days off.
    Originally posted by takman
    I don't have a set routine at weekends either, but ...
    If your paranoid about being traced then you would probably have the location on your mobile device turned off and just turn it on yourself when your on you way home.
    Originally posted by takman
    Just like the tracker at work where adverts by google think I live in Wigan!

    Having your heating on 24/7 is a massive waste of energy and a properly built house will not have any problems with any period of the heating being turned off.
    Originally posted by takman
    My heating uses now 11,000kWh per year after the cavity wall insulation was done last December, down from 12,500 before. My CH in cold days comes on around 5:30 to bring up temp in the morning from 14C to 18C very efficiently, then cools again. Then it raised from 12C to 18 at 5 in the evening. using far less energy that coming from 6C and banging away never reaching 21C.


    Neighbour with similar property uses far more than me, and she keeps her CH turned off to save money! last year her gas was 18,000 kWh for a cold house!
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    • takman
    • By takman 15th Aug 18, 2:13 PM
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    I don't have a set routine at weekends either, but ...

    Just like the tracker at work where adverts by google think I live in Wigan!

    My heating uses now 11,000kWh per year after the cavity wall insulation was done last December, down from 12,500 before. My CH in cold days comes on around 5:30 to bring up temp in the morning from 14C to 18C very efficiently, then cools again. Then it raised from 12C to 18 at 5 in the evening. using far less energy that coming from 6C and banging away never reaching 21C.

    Neighbour with similar property uses far more than me, and she keeps her CH turned off to save money! last year her gas was 18,000 kWh for a cold house!
    Originally posted by Blackbeard of Perranporth
    When the weather gets a bit colder you should do a test; take a gas reading on a Monday morning and then keep the heating on as you do now then take another reading the next Monday.
    The next week you should set the timer so the heating turns off for periods when your not home and do this for a week and take another reading.

    Unless your home all the time i bet there will be a reduction in your gas usage by turning it off completely when you don't need it.
    • giraffe69
    • By giraffe69 16th Aug 18, 2:18 PM
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    There seem to be people who think you are forced to have one of these devices, be it hive, Nest or something else.
    I'm sure it does not suit everyone and if you don't believe it will give you more convenience or save money then you would be foolish to have one. For me it does have advantages because my pattern is not so regular and I don't leave the heating on all the time. Even if I did I might prefer to turn it up an hour or so before I reached home. Other devices are being added so it can now control lights, alarms etc. I think this will become more common as time goes on.
    For those who want to rage against the machine or worry about Government knowing where you are please feel free. Each year that goes past will make you more dinosaur like.
    • AndyPK
    • By AndyPK 16th Aug 18, 5:21 PM
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    My gas bill is around 350+

    I think the thermostats are ~300 nearly a years worth of gas!!!!

    Unless the thermostat never turned the heating on, it could take a while to pay off! A smart meter is more likely to save me money lol
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