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    • jackpina
    • By jackpina 10th Aug 18, 2:19 PM
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    Tenant Deposit Problem, Please help!
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    • 10th Aug 18, 2:19 PM
    Tenant Deposit Problem, Please help! 10th Aug 18 at 2:19 PM
    i've been asked to replace this Electrical hob for the landlord as he say i damaged his hob.
    whirlpool schott ceran electrical hob
    i64.tinypic.com/2jcyl1e.jpg
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    The 2 scratched photos of the same ring that is damaged, the 3 others have no scratch. Unfortunately, i dont have a photo before so lets assume it had no scratch on it.
    Is this normal wear and tear (then i will send it for dispute) or was it my fault that i damaged it?

    The hob is installed in 2008 and i started rented it in fall 2016 for two years.
    I cook most of my meals so 2-3 meals a day. I believe the scratches are from moving the pan while cooking which is normal?

    Other than dispute, The landlord has asked me to either repair or replace the hob. Repairing it cost 114 pounds. He has also sent me a new hob that i can replace it with that cost 250 pounds not including labour. What should i do?

    Appreciated!
    Last edited by jackpina; 10-08-2018 at 2:22 PM.
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    • hazyjo
    • By hazyjo 10th Aug 18, 4:03 PM
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    • 10th Aug 18, 4:03 PM
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    • 10th Aug 18, 4:03 PM
    Can't open pics on my computer, but I really can't see how he can expect a 10 year old hob to be worth anything.


    Are you actually moving out, or is this mid-tenancy?
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 10th Aug 18, 4:06 PM
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    • #3
    • 10th Aug 18, 4:06 PM
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    • 10th Aug 18, 4:06 PM
    Just dispute it, there's no way it'll cost you more, so it's win / break even
    • Wheres My Cashback
    • By Wheres My Cashback 10th Aug 18, 4:11 PM
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    Wheres My Cashback
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    • 10th Aug 18, 4:11 PM
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    • 10th Aug 18, 4:11 PM
    American
    • need an answer
    • By need an answer 10th Aug 18, 4:13 PM
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    need an answer
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    • 10th Aug 18, 4:13 PM
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    • 10th Aug 18, 4:13 PM
    Although I cant see the photos,I would be airing along the lines of a dispute of the amount.

    The hob could well be 10 years old and also have another 10 years life in it,but what you describe would suggest scratching which whilst may not be wholly classed as wear and tear,its certainly something that can happen over many years and is just deterioration.

    its almost impossible to keep anything in "as new " condition for many years if its regularly used,its a fact that a few LL's have yet to grasp


    In the grand scheme of things yes you probably should pay something but to suggest that you need to replace the whole thing new is taking it too far IMO.

    Look at it this way,the LL has a functioning hob so will be able to re let the property to another tenant.

    On the inventory they will no doubt list it as condition fair with some surface scratching.


    The next tenant will no doubt accept that so no need at all for you to be buying a new one!

    Even if you volunteer the money for the repair there is no guarantee that's what it would be used for,(no obligation to repair) which is why I would dispute in order to get a fair adjudication on what is acceptable to pay.
    Last edited by need an answer; 10-08-2018 at 4:26 PM.
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    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 10th Aug 18, 5:32 PM
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    • 10th Aug 18, 5:32 PM
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    • 10th Aug 18, 5:32 PM
    It's wear & tear, and if the hob is functional it's what might be expected from 10 years use or on taking up a tenancy with a 10 year old appliance.


    Don't know why someone else thinks this is spam. I'm sure they have a reason, but as they omitted to explain it, I'd ignore them.
    If you are finding huge gaps between your paragraphs, MSE know about the problem. However, they aren't necessarily doing anything about it. More changes on the way?
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5844460
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 10th Aug 18, 9:01 PM
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    • 10th Aug 18, 9:01 PM
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    • 10th Aug 18, 9:01 PM


    Don't know why someone else thinks this is spam. I'm sure they have a reason, but as they omitted to explain it, I'd ignore them.
    Originally posted by Davesnave

    I imagine a spam post was reported and deleted.
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 10th Aug 18, 9:12 PM
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    • 10th Aug 18, 9:12 PM
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    • 10th Aug 18, 9:12 PM
    I imagine a spam post was reported and deleted.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    Odd coincidence though that the OP mentions 'fall,' when we say 'autumn' on this side of the pond. That's what I took the 'American' reference to mean.
    If you are finding huge gaps between your paragraphs, MSE know about the problem. However, they aren't necessarily doing anything about it. More changes on the way?
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5844460
    • G_M
    • By G_M 11th Aug 18, 1:22 AM
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    • #9
    • 11th Aug 18, 1:22 AM
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    • 11th Aug 18, 1:22 AM
    Devil's advocate:


    I installed a ceramic hob with my new kitchen around 12 years ago. It's been used 2-3 times daily. It is in 'as new' condition.No scratches, no cracks, fully functional. I see no reason why it should not last another 10, 15 years or more (though of course Sods law says it will beak down tomorrow now).


    If treated with care and respect, there's no reason a hob should have damage, scratches etc.


    Having said that I'm mostly the only person to use it, I'm an owner-occupier (it's my hob!), and I'm a careful person.


    In a family with kids, or a tenanted property with multiple tenants coming/going all using the hob, I can see that its life expectancy, and condition, would likely not be the same!
    • jackpina
    • By jackpina 11th Aug 18, 7:04 AM
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    Try copy and paste the url to the browser, Iím a newbie so I canít post links
    Itís the end of tenancy and the hob is 100% functional.
    Last edited by jackpina; 11-08-2018 at 7:07 AM.
    • 00ec25
    • By 00ec25 11th Aug 18, 7:26 AM
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    Try copy and paste the url to the browser, Iím a newbie so I canít post links
    Itís the end of tenancy and the hob is 100% functional.
    Originally posted by jackpina
    are you in the USA? Please clarify

    the advice given on here will be in the context of UK laws and dispute resolution processes. I have no idea how the USA do disputes
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 11th Aug 18, 8:43 AM
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    are you in the USA? Please clarify

    the advice given on here will be in the context of UK laws and dispute resolution processes. I have no idea how the USA do disputes
    Originally posted by 00ec25

    What makes you think that's a possibility? the OP mentiones prices in sterling, which makes it highly unlikely that there is any connection to the USA.
    • Goldcrypto
    • By Goldcrypto 11th Aug 18, 8:57 AM
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    are you in the USA? Please clarify
    Originally posted by 00ec25
    The OP could be an American living in the UK!

    UK (especially London, where I live) obviously has many people living here from USA, Canada, Australia, China, etc....

    Regarding the question, absolutely dispute it.
    Last edited by Goldcrypto; 11-08-2018 at 9:02 AM.
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    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 11th Aug 18, 9:14 AM
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    I have to say that is quite severely scratched. I have never seen a ceramic hob scratched like that. Is it the only part of it like that? If it was normal wear and tear I would expect it to be over the whole of the hob.

    Anyone I know with a ceramic hob actually lifts the pan to move it, it is only reasonable to do that, even on my wooden floor I lift things rather than dragging them.
    What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare
    • Fosterdog
    • By Fosterdog 11th Aug 18, 6:52 PM
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    That is more than just wear and tear, it lasted the first 8 years of being installed and used without suffering from the damage, in the two years since OP has been there it has become significantly damaged and the amount of scratches probably now affect the performance of the hob.

    I'm not saying that the landlord is entitled to a new one, certainly not the full cost, but it has been damaged by OPs carelessness so they are responsible for at least contributing for the damage they have caused to an otherwise as new appliance.
    Last edited by Fosterdog; 11-08-2018 at 7:14 PM.
    • NewShadow
    • By NewShadow 11th Aug 18, 9:41 PM
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    For ease of those who can't copy/paste

    http://i66.tinypic.com/2el5q0x.jpg


    http://i64.tinypic.com/2jcyl1e.jpg
    That sounds like a classic case of premature extrapolation.

    House deposit: 26% = £25,000 + £800pm * 10 months = £33,000

    Goal: Keep the bigger picture in mind...
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