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    • mwddrwg
    • By mwddrwg 9th Aug 18, 1:52 PM
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    Mare's Tail infestation! How best to get rid cheaply?
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    • 9th Aug 18, 1:52 PM
    Mare's Tail infestation! How best to get rid cheaply? 9th Aug 18 at 1:52 PM
    Hi


    We have a patch of land which is currently infested by Mare's Tail and it's very difficult to get rid of! The roots are very deep and have ended up growing through cracks in my drive way as well.
    I was wondering if you have any tips on how to get rid of it and maybe can recommend a decent weedkiller?


    Thanks in advance


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    • alanobrien
    • By alanobrien 9th Aug 18, 1:58 PM
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    i use Rosate 360 on just about everything, seems to do the job. Its a Glyphosate based product.
    • savemoney
    • By savemoney 9th Aug 18, 2:01 PM
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    The leaves are quite waxy and may repel some weedkillers it works best if you bruise the plant by standing on it and moving your foot. Most people just pull it up and eventually it weakens the main plant. The root go very deep down
    • Arthog
    • By Arthog 9th Aug 18, 3:04 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 3:04 PM
    I've never tried it with Mare's Tail, but this is how I get rid of persistent weeds.
    Prepare everything before you start. Fill small bottles eg from those yogurt drinks, with made-up glyphosate, trim and then dunk the end of a branch of the weed into each one, securing with clothes pegs which won't restrict the plants while they absorb the weedkiller.
    Leave for a couple of days, longer in the case of Mare's Tail, then refill and move the bottles to another part of the plant. It'll take some time and patience but it can be eliminated.
    If it isn't affecting a large area, another point of view is that it's an attractive plant and some people put other plants in with it.
    • -taff
    • By -taff 9th Aug 18, 3:15 PM
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    Blocking out the light seems ot be the only way to control this stuff. I've got it everywhere, and I mean everyhwere.

    It's in the lawn, it grows in cracks in the drive, up through the compost, through landscape fabric etc etc.

    The only thing that has worked to get rid of it is to completely block out the light to it. However, nce you unblok it, it just grows again. I covered one area of the garden for 2 years, uncovered it, a week later - there it was.

    I've seen one person use distilled white vinegar and washing up liquid on it, and that appears to dry it out.

    I can't spary most of mine because it's in the lawn so I'll end up with a sea od cracked earth [ in this weather], so my plan is to get rid of the lawn entirely at some point.

    This may help
    http://www.nodiggardener.co.uk/2015/03/control-of-marestail-and-horsetail.html
    • Spider In The Bath
    • By Spider In The Bath 9th Aug 18, 5:11 PM
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    Cheaply - move house.

    Most weedkillers will not touch it. The outer stem of the plant will not absorb it and trying to bruise and then spray large areas is not practical.

    There is a weedkiller called Kurtail which works best with spraying. It did not work for me as I was trying to 'dot and dab' in amongst cottage garden style flower borders. You will need to buy it online.

    I have been using the pulling method. As soon as one appears pull as much of the plant up as you can. And I mean as soon. I want you rugby diving onto any weed you see within seconds.

    I have been doing this since 2005 and I reckon in about another 6 - 10 years it may be fully gone from my garden* The damn plant is prehistoric - it is not going away anytime soon.

    *Sadly I am not joking, or exaggerating.
    Last edited by Spider In The Bath; 09-08-2018 at 5:13 PM.
    • Camster
    • By Camster 9th Aug 18, 5:28 PM
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    I don't think there is any cheap solutions to getting rid of mares tail.

    I have it in my garden and I have used Kurtail. It turns the stems black within a few days and they die off, but it's quite expensive stuff.

    Another chemical called ammonium sulphamate used to be used, but it's no longer approved by the EU for use as a weedkiller, although you can still buy it as a compost accelerator. Again it's expensive.
    • harrys nan
    • By harrys nan 9th Aug 18, 6:56 PM
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    I have it in my garden, I pull it up when I can but, next door doesn't do anything in their garden and her garden is full of it, so I think I'm going to lose this battle.
    It's on the march to my garden.
    I have never had it before but did have another neighbour (in another house) who loved the pretty little flowers on bindweed and almost let it take over her garden
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    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 10th Aug 18, 12:57 PM
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    I don't think there is any cheap solutions to getting rid of mares tail.

    I have it in my garden and I have used Kurtail. It turns the stems black within a few days and they die off, but it's quite expensive stuff.

    Another chemical called ammonium sulphamate used to be used, but it's no longer approved by the EU for use as a weedkiller, although you can still buy it as a compost accelerator. Again it's expensive.
    Originally posted by Camster

    These are probably your two best bets, short of moving house. Lots of 'accidents' on the way to that compost heap or a big ticket item from a specialist on-line supplier.
    If you are finding huge gaps between your paragraphs, MSE know about the problem. However, they aren't necessarily doing anything about it. More changes on the way?
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5844460
    • malebolge
    • By malebolge 10th Aug 18, 9:27 PM
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    I don't think there is any cheap solutions to getting rid of mares tail.

    I have it in my garden and I have used Kurtail. It turns the stems black within a few days and they die off, but it's quite expensive stuff.

    Another chemical called ammonium sulphamate used to be used, but it's no longer approved by the EU for use as a weedkiller, although you can still buy it as a compost accelerator. Again it's expensive.
    Originally posted by Camster
    I use ammonium sulphamate on my compost heap, and often have accidents which have resulted in stubborn weeds, including mare's tails, being sadly killed. I always mix it up with a dash of washing up liquid so it sticks to the plants - I mean compost - better. In case anyone's worried about why it was banned - it's a lot less harmful to animals/wildlife than other weedkillers still allowed; but a few years ago the EU regulators insisted that the main company that sold it test the products on animals. The company refused, saying there was already research in existence from America that involved animal testing so they would not allow animals to be unnecessarily experimented upon. The EU promptly banned it. So we are left with less efficient, more harmful to animals weedkillers.
    • fishybusiness
    • By fishybusiness 12th Aug 18, 10:44 AM
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    Kurtail, if you do use it don't forget PPE
    • Debbie Savard
    • By Debbie Savard 12th Aug 18, 11:07 AM
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    Prepare some ammonium sulphamate as compost accelerator then accidently spill it on the ground where the mare's tail is growing

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lancelot-Mistral-Ammonium-Sulphamate-1Kg/dp/B004MMOEH2
    • Blackjack Davy
    • By Blackjack Davy 12th Aug 18, 2:29 PM
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    Glyphosate works but its not quick it needs a good concentration and several repeat applications.
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    • slinga
    • By slinga 12th Aug 18, 4:17 PM
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    Haven't seen any posts on here about the court case in the US about Round UP/Glyphosate.
    Any reason?
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    • Camster
    • By Camster 12th Aug 18, 6:35 PM
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    Prepare some ammonium sulphamate as compost accelerator then accidently spill it on the ground where the mare's tail is growing

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lancelot-Mistral-Ammonium-Sulphamate-1Kg/dp/B004MMOEH2
    Originally posted by Debbie Savard
    It works out quite a bit cheaper if you buy in larger quantites. This is the best price I could find:

    https://lancelotproducts.co.uk/product/ammonium-sulphamate-crystals/
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 12th Aug 18, 8:50 PM
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    Haven't seen any posts on here about the court case in the US about Round UP/Glyphosate.
    Any reason?
    Originally posted by slinga
    In the UK people took on board a while ago that tests have shown a potential increased risk of developing cancer after coming in contact with certain levels of glyphosate over a prolonged period.

    However, over here we may have a clearer understanding of how that risk has been quantified and related to other activities we do, like eating bacon, breathing city air, sitting in the sun or having barbecues, because those are cancer risks at a similar level.

    Some countries in the EU still want to ban glyphosate, though. The problem is what to replace it with and the fact that it's useful. Get rid, and food prices will rise very significantly.
    If you are finding huge gaps between your paragraphs, MSE know about the problem. However, they aren't necessarily doing anything about it. More changes on the way?
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5844460
    • slinga
    • By slinga 13th Aug 18, 9:11 AM
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    In the UK people took on board a while ago that tests have shown a potential increased risk of developing cancer after coming in contact with certain levels of glyphosate over a prolonged period.

    However, over here we may have a clearer understanding of how that risk has been quantified and related to other activities we do, like eating bacon, breathing city air, sitting in the sun or having barbecues, because those are cancer risks at a similar level.

    Some countries in the EU still want to ban glyphosate, though. The problem is what to replace it with and the fact that it's useful. Get rid, and food prices will rise very significantly.
    Originally posted by Davesnave
    But why is glyphosate only mentioned in relation to Roundup when there are many other products with similar levels on the shelves.


    I'm sure there are people in the UK who say 'I'll stop using Roundup but Weedol or ano will do just as well.
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    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 13th Aug 18, 9:45 AM
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    But why is glyphosate only mentioned in relation to Roundup when there are many other products with similar levels on the shelves.


    I'm sure there are people in the UK who say 'I'll stop using Roundup but Weedol or ano will do just as well.
    Originally posted by slinga
    Because Monsanto originated glyphosate and used the Round Up name. I suppose, as originators, they are liable for the product under US law.

    They don't make any royalty money from the product now, as patenting was so long ago; hence all the generics.

    This has some way to go yet. Monsanto will appeal.
    If you are finding huge gaps between your paragraphs, MSE know about the problem. However, they aren't necessarily doing anything about it. More changes on the way?
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5844460
    • malebolge
    • By malebolge 13th Aug 18, 10:06 AM
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    But why is glyphosate only mentioned in relation to Roundup when there are many other products with similar levels on the shelves.
    Originally posted by slinga
    Basically because the chemical firm that developed it originally, Monsanto, was being sued. They produce Roundup. Their patent ran out ages ago, so glyphosate is now used in a load of products, but Monsanto is the company that has the money if you want to sue for millions. Also, juries do like underdogs when they go up against a billion dollar company... the lawyer involved in the case has said it's just the tip of the iceberg - he's obviously looking to feather his nest very well out of not just this case, but future ones. It's very difficult to prove that something does NOT cause cancer after all.
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