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    • rabialiones
    • By rabialiones 8th Aug 18, 5:03 PM
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    visa for france?
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    visa for france? 8th Aug 18 at 5:03 PM
    friend of mine wishes to travel to france with her hubby and kids for a short break. (few days), paris etc and doesn't know whether she can travel with them or needs a visa.
    she does not have british passport although does have right of abode i.e. permanent settlement visa.
    hubby and kids have british passport.
    have tried to contact French embassy , but no one answering phone despite hanging on for an hour or so. and not much info on website.

    any help appreciated.
    thanks
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    • eDicky
    • By eDicky 8th Aug 18, 6:14 PM
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    Perhaps you should mention her nationality...
    • waamo
    • By waamo 8th Aug 18, 7:24 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 7:24 PM
    She doesn't have a British passport. An Irish one is fine. No visa needed. Nor for any other EU passport.
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    • rabialiones
    • By rabialiones 8th Aug 18, 8:29 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 8:29 PM
    Perhaps you should mention her nationality...
    Originally posted by eDicky
    sorry, I missed that out
    she holds a Pakistan passport
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    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 8th Aug 18, 8:43 PM
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    Have you tried Google ?
    • rabialiones
    • By rabialiones 8th Aug 18, 8:57 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 8:57 PM
    yes, but not much luck,
    did that before I posted on here as I couldn't find any relevant details
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    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 8th Aug 18, 9:03 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 9:03 PM
    What about this

    https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/who-needs-schengen-visa/
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    • rabialiones
    • By rabialiones 9th Aug 18, 9:21 AM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 9:21 AM
    thanks for that link.
    however , we have read it a couple of times , but are still a little confused as although she does hold a Pakistan passport, she still has permanent residency in uk and will be travelling with close family members. i.e. hubby and kids, via channel tunnel , not flying there.
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    • Lagamorph
    • By Lagamorph 9th Aug 18, 12:52 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 12:52 PM
    You need to present a passport on going through the Channel Tunnel, the UK is not in the Schengen Zone (Contrary to what some Brexit supporting idiots would have you believe) so UK residents must present a passport.

    This might have the info you need,
    https://pk.ambafrance.org/Short-Stay-less-than-3-months,2437

    It looks like Pakistani passport holders require a 3 month Schengen Visa to visit France.
    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 9th Aug 18, 12:54 PM
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    I am not surprised that you are confused: this is something of a grey area.

    Firstly, she can obtain a visa: if she applies correctly with evidence that she is married to someone who is a citizen of an EU member country (but not France) the embassy is not allowed to refuse, and not allowed to charge a fee.

    Secondly, so long as she travels with her husband then there is a legal right to visa-free travel, but this is often ignored by French immigration officers! Part of the confusion is that the EU law granting this right refers to a residency card: the UK does not issue such a card but legal opinion is that the ILR stamp in her passport has the same status. This problem has been discussed by well-informed commentators in the forum at www.ImmigrationBoards.com

    Bottom line: getting a visa is probably the least stressful option. If she does not have time to do so then she should ensure that she knows the number for Solvit (an EU service that assists us to obtain the rights that we have under European law) and takes it with her, along with a 'phone that will work in France.
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 9th Aug 18, 2:46 PM
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    A permanent settlement visa is not indefinite leave to remain. ILR can be applied for after 5 years.

    Has she applied for ILR?

    http://www.workgateways.com/settlement-visa#expire
    • rabialiones
    • By rabialiones 9th Aug 18, 4:39 PM
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    A permanent settlement visa is not indefinite leave to remain. ILR can be applied for after 5 years.

    Has she applied for ILR?

    http://www.workgateways.com/settlement-visa#expire
    Originally posted by sheramber
    she does have an indefinite leave to remain visa, sorry that this was not made clear initially
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    • rabialiones
    • By rabialiones 9th Aug 18, 5:01 PM
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    I am not surprised that you are confused: this is something of a grey area.

    Firstly, she can obtain a visa: if she applies correctly with evidence that she is married to someone who is a citizen of an EU member country (but not France) the embassy is not allowed to refuse, and not allowed to charge a fee.

    Secondly, so long as she travels with her husband then there is a legal right to visa-free travel, but this is often ignored by French immigration officers! Part of the confusion is that the EU law granting this right refers to a residency card: the UK does not issue such a card but legal opinion is that the ILR stamp in her passport has the same status. This problem has been discussed by well-informed commentators in the forum at www.ImmigrationBoards.com

    Bottom line: getting a visa is probably the least stressful option. If she does not have time to do so then she should ensure that she knows the number for Solvit (an EU service that assists us to obtain the rights that we have under European law) and takes it with her, along with a 'phone that will work in France.
    Originally posted by Voyager2002

    thanks for your response, you have made it easier to understand
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    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 9th Aug 18, 5:52 PM
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    A permanent settlement visa is not indefinite leave to remain. ILR can be applied for after 5 years.

    Has she applied for ILR?

    http://www.workgateways.com/settlement-visa#expire
    Originally posted by sheramber
    I do not think that there is such a thing as a "permanent" settlement visa: I assumed that she had come here on a settlement visa and progressed to ILR.
    • rabialiones
    • By rabialiones 9th Aug 18, 8:33 PM
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    I do not think that there is such a thing as a "permanent" settlement visa: I assumed that she had come here on a settlement visa and progressed to ILR.
    Originally posted by Voyager2002
    correct, that is the case
    Last edited by rabialiones; 09-08-2018 at 9:03 PM.
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