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    • arcadiu
    • By arcadiu 8th Aug 18, 1:41 PM
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    PCN with no number plate entered
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    • 8th Aug 18, 1:41 PM
    PCN with no number plate entered 8th Aug 18 at 1:41 PM
    Hello,

    The keeper recently received a PCN when in Wales for not having paid for parking. The car entered a private car park and paid and displayed for 1hr. The car was out the carpark in 30 minutes. Having never used the machines whereby you must enter the reg plate and since the driver was not forced by the machine to even enter anything, they just continued without entering any number plate. The driver then displayed the ticket on the windscreen and left. Unfortunately the ticket has been binned.

    The PCN shows photos of the car and the numberplate and realised it is using ANPR to issue the fine with no manual check or warden to confirm.

    I have read the newbie stickies but was wondering what chance do I have to get this overturned?
    Thanks
    Last edited by arcadiu; 08-08-2018 at 3:36 PM.
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    • Le_Kirk
    • By Le_Kirk 8th Aug 18, 1:44 PM
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    • #2
    • 8th Aug 18, 1:44 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 1:44 PM
    It's ANPR not CCTV. You can see, if you have read the Newbie sticky that you can appeal using the BLUE template in order to receive a POPLA code.
    • arcadiu
    • By arcadiu 8th Aug 18, 1:47 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 1:47 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 1:47 PM
    Yes, but do you think it will be overturned by POPLA because a reg plate wasn't entered?
    Last edited by arcadiu; 08-08-2018 at 2:57 PM.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 8th Aug 18, 2:51 PM
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    • #4
    • 8th Aug 18, 2:51 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 2:51 PM
    Yes, but do you think it will be overturned by POPLA because I didn't enter a reg plate?
    Originally posted by arcadiu
    Quite likely, but as you haven't told us the name of the parking company, it is difficult to say.

    Clearly it is a faulty machine/system that requires a VRN to be entered but issues a ticket even if a VRN is not entered.

    These things are won on technicalities.
    E.g. were the signs adequate?

    As already advised, send the blue template appeal unchanged.
    Do not add anything to it.
    Send it as the keeper.


    It is also quite important not to disclose the identity of the driver.
    Your first post needs editing.

    For example, perhaps your second and third sentences should be something like:
    The driver entered a private car park and paid and displayed for 1hr. The vehicle was out the carpark in 30 minutes.
    Please review the rest of your post and adjust similarly.

    There is no place for the word 'I' when describing events on the day.

    The parking companies are known to trawl this forum just waiting for people to trip themselves up and can use your posts against you.
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    • arcadiu
    • By arcadiu 8th Aug 18, 2:56 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 2:56 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 2:56 PM
    Thank you. The company is Premier Park if this helps?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 8th Aug 18, 3:08 PM
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    • #6
    • 8th Aug 18, 3:08 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 3:08 PM
    More editing needed.

    It was the keeper that received the PCN. It was the driver that was in Wales.
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    • arcadiu
    • By arcadiu 8th Aug 18, 7:59 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 7:59 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 7:59 PM
    Thanks, all done haha.

    I got a response asking for the details of the driver and no POPLA code. What next?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 8th Aug 18, 8:35 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 8:35 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 8:35 PM
    Thanks, all done haha.

    I got a response asking for the details of the driver and no POPLA code. What next?
    Originally posted by arcadiu
    Doesn't that letter say something like 'if you don't provide the driver's details we'll determine your appeal without it'?

    Anyway, whatever it says, ignore it and wait patiently for your PoPLA code.

    Your opening post still needs editing along the lines mentioned in post #6.
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    • arcadiu
    • By arcadiu 8th Aug 18, 8:39 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 8:39 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 8:39 PM
    It does, but the date in which it must be due is almost 4 weeks. I'd like to get to the meat of the problem as soon as possible as opposed to waiting. I'm on holiday soon and unfortunately I don't have the time to be faffing with !!!!!!!! fines.
    • arcadiu
    • By arcadiu 16th Aug 18, 2:58 PM
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    Anyway to move the process along? I don't have the time to be faffing with this. How can I get a POPLA code from them?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 16th Aug 18, 3:32 PM
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    I don't have the time to be faffing with this.
    Originally posted by arcadiu
    Neither do I.

    Not sure how much of your time is taken up by doing nothing and waiting.

    Good luck.
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    • Le_Kirk
    • By Le_Kirk 16th Aug 18, 4:22 PM
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    Post #2 told you what to do and when they reject your appeal, they should give you a POPLA code - provided you are within the deadlines (which should be printed on your PCN).
    • arcadiu
    • By arcadiu 16th Aug 18, 9:41 PM
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    Thanks, post #9 says I have done that and I'm asking if there is anything to move things forward faster than wait for weeks to get a code despite sending the template response?
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 16th Aug 18, 10:36 PM
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    Thanks, post #9 says I have done that and I'm asking if there is anything to move things forward faster than wait for weeks to get a code despite sending the template response?
    Originally posted by arcadiu
    Unlikely, as already indicated. Why would we provide advice that isn't correct - based on years of experience? It's not conducive to a helpful relationship when advice is seemingly not accepted.
    The fact that I have commented on your thread does not mean I have become your personal adviser. A long list of subsequent questions addressed for my personal attention is unlikely to receive a reply.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 16th Aug 18, 11:50 PM
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    No point rushing. PP cases are sometimes lost at POPLA anyway so what's the rush, you will then ignore them if so, like everyone else does if you search Premier POPLA lost. And it is not a big deal.

    No-one pays.

    Some do win at POPLA, but everyone IGNORES that letter, so forget it.
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