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    • danrv
    • By danrv 8th Aug 18, 12:49 PM
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    Electricaire R10 vs electric rads
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    • 8th Aug 18, 12:49 PM
    Electricaire R10 vs electric rads 8th Aug 18 at 12:49 PM
    Hi
    Iíve posted here a couple of times regarding my 70ís Econmy 10 warm air system and have had a quote of £2400 for six modern electric rads with WiFi hub.
    I would like to update my heating but have no gas and donít particularly want to go oil/wet system due to space and installation cost.
    I know electric rads arenít endorsed at all here but for my situation itís much easier and I could run them partially on cheap rate as my E10 times are during morning up to mid afternoon.
    My Electricaire storage unit is 10kw and the new rads would total 7.2kw.
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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 8th Aug 18, 1:57 PM
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    With the high E10 tariff prices, I would think a 'normal' 24/7 tariff would be much cheaper to run; even allowing for water heating at daytime rates.
    • danrv
    • By danrv 8th Aug 18, 7:01 PM
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    • 8th Aug 18, 7:01 PM
    Thanks for the reply. Eon unit price is going up a little in a few days so my off peak rate will be 11.9p and peak rate 20.8p.
    Standard unit price at present is 16.5p.
    Eon can swap my meter for a standard one if I decide to do away with Economy 10.

    Need to do a fair few sums to work out how the E10 warm air system running costs compare to electric radiators.
    Hot water is on immersion and 30mins gives hot water all day.
    • jk0
    • By jk0 8th Aug 18, 7:11 PM
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    Still can't see the point in changing personally. You want to pay £2400 for a system that will be at best the same cost to run, and at worst more expensive?
    • danrv
    • By danrv 9th Aug 18, 11:26 AM
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    Yes, its just that the whole place needs updating including the heating. Running costs aside, the initial expense is down to the appearance and quality as I know that the same result can be had with cheap panel heaters and timers.
    The whole idea of electric warm air heating in the UK is history unfortunately and although parts are still available, the storage units are no longer made.
    If there was a modern, more compact, asbestos free replacement available, Id get one without hesitation and just clean up the ducting.
    The R10 obviously gets quite warm when charging and the walls of the cupboard that its in are cracked due to this.
    As far as running costs go, newer probably wont be better but newer is what Id like.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 9th Aug 18, 11:52 AM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 11:52 AM
    Yes, its just that the whole place needs updating including the heating. Running costs aside, the initial expense is down to the appearance and quality as I know that the same result can be had with cheap panel heaters and timers.
    The whole idea of electric warm air heating in the UK is history unfortunately and although parts are still available, the storage units are no longer made.
    If there was a modern, more compact, asbestos free replacement available, Id get one without hesitation and just clean up the ducting.
    The R10 obviously gets quite warm when charging and the walls of the cupboard that its in are cracked due to this.
    As far as running costs go, newer probably wont be better but newer is what Id like.
    Originally posted by danrv

    The last 3 posts of this thread may be of interest:


    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3516223&page=31


    Agreed. Also they can be plugged in via an adapter that will control timing and even allow remote control.


    The biggest objection to these £20 radiators is that they are ugly/old fashioned etc. If that is the case there are plenty of firms that sell radiator cabinets this is an example from Screwfix:
    https://www.screwfix.com/p/contemporary-suffolk-radiator-cabinet-medium-natural-mdf-1195-x-200-x-900mm/9808p


    • danrv
    • By danrv 9th Aug 18, 1:06 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 1:06 PM
    Thanks, interesting read on Fischer heaters. I did have a salesman visit and was impressed with the demo of the clay actually rising in temperature even when turned off.
    He noticed that the warm air heater was on when it certainly didn!!!8217;t need to be and turned it off.
    Electricity bill has reduced considerably so appreciate that.

    £2400 is way cheaper than an oil fired wet system install or ASHP system and it does include a WiFi smart hub
    which I think would be essential for six rads.
    Last edited by danrv; 09-08-2018 at 4:07 PM.
    • jk0
    • By jk0 9th Aug 18, 4:15 PM
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    The whole idea of electric warm air heating in the UK is history unfortunately and although parts are still available, the storage units are no longer made.
    Originally posted by danrv

    Danrv, I begin to suspect you work for Fischer, and are just here asking inane questions to publicise them. I take it you've not heard of a firm called Dimplex?


    https://www.dimplex.co.uk/product/r1284-electricaire-r1284
    • danrv
    • By danrv 9th Aug 18, 10:59 PM
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    Danrv, I begin to suspect you work for Fischer, and are just here asking inane questions to publicise them. I take it you've not heard of a firm called Dimplex?


    https://www.dimplex.co.uk/product/r1284-electricaire-r1284
    Originally posted by jk0
    I donít work for Fischer, just sharing my experience.
    Iíve heard of Dimplex and realize that Electricaire is now part of the company. I think the R12/84
    is obsolete and I have spoken to Dimplex regarding my requirements.
    Their only storage heater options were of the individual type - Quantum and one other, maybe DuoHeat.
    • collectors
    • By collectors 10th Aug 18, 9:25 AM
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    Have you thought of possibly LPG wet system. I have this & although its more expensive than mains gas to run, it far cheaper than electric. But this would all boil down to how well insulated your property is.
    A short while back Calor gas was fitting a free overground tank which is a big saving. If you wanted it underground, you would have to dig the whole. I have a five bed bungalow that i rent 3 of the rooms to lodgers & spend around £800 pa for rads/water/1 gas hob for me. They cook on electric.
    Last edited by collectors; 10-08-2018 at 9:30 AM.
    • danrv
    • By danrv 10th Aug 18, 12:13 PM
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    Have you thought of possibly LPG wet system. I have this & although its more expensive than mains gas to run, it far cheaper than electric. But this would all boil down to how well insulated your property is.
    A short while back Calor gas was fitting a free overground tank which is a big saving. If you wanted it underground, you would have to dig the whole. I have a five bed bungalow that i rent 3 of the rooms to lodgers & spend around £800 pa for rads/water/1 gas hob for me. They cook on electric.
    Originally posted by collectors
    Thanks. Yes, have considered LPG and have loft insulation and double glazing. Walls are cavity
    but not sure if theyre insulated.
    Dont have a lot of room from for or particularly keen on a large unsightly white tank but I notice theres a Calor Compact option in a discrete housing. Not sure how often Id need to refill those in the winter months.
    Last edited by danrv; 11-08-2018 at 11:37 AM.
    • danrv
    • By danrv 14th Aug 18, 1:21 PM
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    The whole idea of electric warm air heating in the UK is history unfortunately
    Originally posted by danrv
    Just adding a correction here. Should read Ďdomesticí electric warm air heating as this type of heating is possibly still used in office blocks, high rise flats and the like.
    • danrv
    • By danrv 15th Aug 18, 4:08 PM
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    With the high E10 tariff prices, I would think a 'normal' 24/7 tariff would be much cheaper to run; even allowing for water heating at daytime rates.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    Yes, I can get my meter changed if needed.
    With the Electricaire R10/73 being rather old, theres no info or specs on energy use but I do have the original instructions. Ill need to run it and check meter readings.
    Im assuming it draws 10kw for 10hrs each day to heat the bricks. This amounts to £11.90 a day on E10 tariff.
    I dont know how the Electricaire regulates energy use but I always have the input control at minimum.
    Last edited by danrv; 15-08-2018 at 4:49 PM.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 15th Aug 18, 6:53 PM
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    Yes, I can get my meter changed if needed.
    With the Electricaire R10/73 being rather old, theres no info or specs on energy use but I do have the original instructions. Ill need to run it and check meter readings.
    Im assuming it draws 10kw for 10hrs each day to heat the bricks. This amounts to £11.90 a day on E10 tariff.
    I dont know how the Electricaire regulates energy use but I always have the input control at minimum.
    Originally posted by danrv
    We are at cross-purposes. I was talking about you running 'normal' electric heaters as you suggest in your first post.i
    • danrv
    • By danrv 15th Aug 18, 9:17 PM
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    Yes sorry, I realize that you were referring to 'normal' electric rads hence my reference to changing the meter.
    The rest is just speculating on what my current system may be costing.
    Last edited by danrv; 16-08-2018 at 2:30 PM.
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