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    • Becks32
    • By Becks32 7th Aug 18, 4:34 PM
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    I need to sell my house!
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    • 7th Aug 18, 4:34 PM
    I need to sell my house! 7th Aug 18 at 4:34 PM
    Hi
    I am at a complete loss as to how to sell my house. It has been on the market for almost 3 years now and I am starting to worry it wont sell at all. I think the main problem is that it is in Orkney but I always thought that as long as this was priced accordingly then it would sell. Other houses are selling there (although not in my immediate vicinity - not sure why) so hence my confusion.
    The house is a large 4 bedroomed house with 3 acres, a newly roofed ruin with development potential and outbuildings. It has a 270 degree view of the sea with an island, lighthouse and ships passing regularly. There are secluded beaches, regular sightings of orcas, seals and the Aurora is visible when the conditions are right. The property has a borehole and although this could be seen as a negative it does reduce the council tax and has been fitted with an industrial filter and the water tested to prove it is of good quality.


    The house is 10 minutes from the local village which has amenities such as village shops, school, Drs surgery, cafes and the ferry to the mainland. We have reduced the price by 35k since it was originally advertised as prices have fallen and it is now at a price in line with 2 similar properties within a 2 mile radius which also have land.


    We have it listed with a local estate agent who seems to just wait for enquiries and wont attend viewings, we have already changed once so I am reluctant to do so again and there are only 3 there and all seem to be the same, so probably wouldn't achieve anything. I have listed the house with a smallholding website and posted on lots of local southern sites such as Facebay and other sales sites in London and across the south. I have produced leaflets and put up in prominent places and mentioned it to everyone I know. I really am at a complete loss so any advice, ideas or recommendations would be gratefully received.
    Thanks in advance!
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    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 8th Aug 18, 6:07 AM
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    Wow, that's a lot for the money.
    Originally posted by Doozergirl
    Yes but even by Orkney standards it's in the !!!! end of nowhere.
    • Doodles
    • By Doodles 8th Aug 18, 6:51 AM
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    I would love to live in a property like that :-) all that outside space, fresh air and no neighbours.
    We are in Transylvania, and Transylvania is not England. Our ways are not your ways, and there shall be to you many strange things.

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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 8th Aug 18, 7:13 AM
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    That's a shame it's now unfurnished.

    I wonder whether it would be possible for you to furnish it again and then put it up as a "one of a kind" and "try before you buy" holiday rental?

    Sort of slanted at those that want complete privacy/peace & quiet/etc and would have a "try before you buy" option of renting it for a week or two as a holiday cottage first. Then, if they liked it enough, they could go on to buy it.

    I say that because I rented a holiday cottage one time that I "knew" was about to be up for sale (though no-one had said so). So I duly had the chance (whilst I was actually living there) to "try it for size" and have a darn good check of floors/walls/etc and see whether it would be a viable option for me to buy.

    Sure enough - it did go up for sale very soon after I'd rented it. I decided, in the event, it wasnt for me - but it was certainly the best chance I'd had for a good looksee at a potential house purchase.

    My other thought here also involves putting furniture back in it - and wondering whether you could also think in terms of renting it out as a "location" for filming tv programmes/films.

    Third thought - there's a pretty well-known "celebrity" that loves the Outer Hebrides (am I getting my geography right for there LOL?)/recently had an extended holiday there with her 2nd husband and doesnt seem to currently own a home (but I think would like to have one again). I've met her - and she's a decent person. I've no idea if she's currently able to afford to buy a home again for herself/new husband or would move area - but I suspect she'd rather like yours. PM me for contact details if that seems an idea. In your position - I might think of contacting her and offering a couple of extra weeks holiday there at some point at a good rate - eg free (in case there's any possibilities there that she'd like to move there permanently/could afford it or would like a free holiday there, subject to doing a YouTube video about it?).
    Last edited by moneyistooshorttomention; 08-08-2018 at 7:28 AM.
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    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 8th Aug 18, 7:18 AM
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    Got to try my more like this test

    but given the area not expecting a big sample to work with.


    kirkwall+20miles 4B+ any price, inc SSTC


    19 available and none in the SSTC list.

    dropping to 3bed 39 still no SSTC (maybe they don't show)

    What has sold in the last 2 years anywhere that is even close to this place in terms of accommodation land and remoteness?


    you have local competition with more land and a bit of a loch and a bit cheaper
    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 8th Aug 18, 7:32 AM
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    Even more idiosycratically laid out and with just one toilet for 4 "bedrooms" AFAICS.
    In the OPs case what is a bedroom is debatable, but given no dining room and no downstairs bathroom, I'd say it's "really" a 3 bed.

    But bottom line it comes down to price. There must be a very restricted pool of buyers here, I don't know this island but if the area is depopulating then it may even be close to worthless however nice it is. "Phil and Kirsty" get a lot of stick here, but the title of their TV programmme isn't called Location Location Location for nothing,
    • buggy_boy
    • By buggy_boy 8th Aug 18, 8:00 AM
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    My initial reaction is its just not presented very well, needs some landscaping, things like having two types of flooring in one hallway seems odd.. Definitely needs a repaint to make it look better, a pink lounge is going to put people off, generally you want light oak style wood not dark wood if it can be sanded back and protected. Peach toilet is over powering, paint it a more neutral colour, the lilac bedroom, probably ok but the blue one omg no...

    The biggest problem is location, however lovely it is to be in the middle of nowhere and thats exactly what people want, but they want to be in the middle of nowhere just around the corner from a Tesco (Other supermarkets will do)
    • TheGardener
    • By TheGardener 8th Aug 18, 8:06 AM
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    ...Third thought - there's a pretty well-known "celebrity" that loves the Outer Hebrides (am I getting my geography right for there LOL?)!!!8230;..
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    No - not quite The Outer Hebrides (AKA The Western Isles) is the islands of Lewis & Harris down to Barra off the west coast of Scotland.
    The Orkneys & Shetland are off the north coast of Scotland (collectively known as the Northern Isles) and are about 150 miles north east of the Hebrides - as the seagull flies..

    Downstairs bedrooms are the norm in rural Scotland - local buyers would know to expect that. Many of the English mainland 'norms' don't really apply to island homes.

    If you are saying folk are not able to proceed - have they said why?
    Last edited by TheGardener; 08-08-2018 at 8:08 AM.
    • quantumlobster
    • By quantumlobster 8th Aug 18, 8:08 AM
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    Both the OP's house and the one linked to by getmore4less have layouts that are, frankly, crackers and would, for many people, prove quite difficult to live in on a day-to-day basis.

    These surely have to be holiday lets/2nd homes, as the pool of buyers with a family requiring a 4-bed house who would want to move to such a remote place must be absolutely tiny.

    eta: downstairs bedrooms are one thing - after all, bungalows exist - but it's the lack of bathrooms and the having to go through one room to get to another, rather than having a connecting corridor, that I'm referring to.
    • davidmcn
    • By davidmcn 8th Aug 18, 8:33 AM
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    The biggest problem is location, however lovely it is to be in the middle of nowhere and thats exactly what people want, but they want to be in the middle of nowhere just around the corner from a Tesco (Other supermarkets will do)
    Originally posted by buggy_boy
    To be fair, much of the Highlands & Islands are more "middle of nowhere" than this - because of the causeways, South Ronaldsay is effectively part of the Orkney mainland, so you can get to a big Tesco (and the other services at Kirkwall - secondary school, general hospital, airport etc) in about half an hour.
    • Becks32
    • By Becks32 8th Aug 18, 8:47 AM
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    I am a little concerned that there are so many posts about there being no downstairs toilet - There is! As mentioned before bedrooms downstairs is fairly normal for Scotland and not something I can change. I can see that the colour scheme could be off putting (This can definitely be changed!). The landscaping outside is more difficult due to logistics and lack of funds available, will certainly look in to options though. We have someone mowing the grass regularly so could ask him to advise.


    We have had about 8 serious offers since it has been on the market of which 7 couldn't sell their houses and 1 couldn't get a mortgage due to previous debt issues. The house pictures have only recently been changed to show it as empty and we didn't have any more interest when it was shown as furnished, although I agree that people aren't able to visualise themselves and its always better furnished.


    The house is fairly remote but what I am confused about is that houses on the islands off of Orkney are selling. This means either 2 boats or 2 planes to get from the mainland, no supermarket, no secondary school, Drs surgery only open a couple of days a week and hospital 2 ferries/planes away. If these houses are selling (for not a lot less despite being older) then my house can not still be on the market because it is remote. Although it looks in the middle of nowhere it is as I said only 10 minutes from the local village, school bus comes to the end of the drive for primary and secondary.
    • Brock_and_Roll
    • By Brock_and_Roll 8th Aug 18, 9:15 AM
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    OP,


    I love the house, the grounds, the outbuildings and all that goes with it. Living the dream (albeit my wife would probably disagree!) Would not be at all bothered by any of the minor internal idiosyncrasies. If it were down my way, I would happily pay 2m.


    The location is also stunning and will appear to someone...but there is a but coming!!


    The property is a family house at the very tip of South Ronaldsay - an island with only 900 or so people. Presumably most of the decent paying work & schools, shops etc are in Kirkwall or at the oil and gas facilities - that must be at least a 40 minute drive away. It looks like at least a 15 minute drive to get a pint of milk.


    So the number of potential buyers is going to be very limited indeed. I reckon there are too types of potential buyer....


    1) Oil & Gas execs that re-locate to Orkney with their families
    2) City escapists who have bagged a million or so for selling their pokey flat in Fulham etc and want something else.


    Personally I would really attack 1) as with 2) I expect you would get a lot of tyre kickers.


    I would find out the names of all the oil & gas companies active in Orkney and get some flyers out, posters or whatever you can think of.


    Wishing you the very best of luck - if no one takes it, I 'll pay 30k cash!
    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 8th Aug 18, 9:55 AM
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    The property is a family house at the very tip of South Ronaldsay - an island with only 900 or so people. Presumably most of the decent paying work & schools, shops etc are in Kirkwall or at the oil and gas facilities - that must be at least a 40 minute drive away. It looks like at least a 15 minute drive to get a pint of milk.

    So the number of potential buyers is going to be very limited indeed. I reckon there are too types of potential buyer....

    1) Oil & Gas execs that re-locate to Orkney with their families
    2) City escapists who have bagged a million or so for selling their pokey flat in Fulham etc and want something else.

    Personally I would really attack 1) as with 2) I expect you would get a lot of tyre kickers.
    Originally posted by Brock_and_Roll
    I'd say you have it the complete wrong way round.

    Oil & Gas execs would surely rent rather than buy, its going to be a 3 or 4 year assignment. Indeed their companies might even pay the rent. And I dont know the geography but you've pointed out its a long way from the capital, where presumably the exec would need to be, not 40 minutes away?

    Its the City Escapists who would buy. And i doubt you'd get many tire kickers, its not like popping on the tube to see it, anyone visiting is making a big commitment in time and money.
    • Out, Vile Jelly
    • By Out, Vile Jelly 8th Aug 18, 10:10 AM
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    OP, why did YOU buy it?
    They are an EYESORES!!!!
    • JoJo1978
    • By JoJo1978 8th Aug 18, 10:11 AM
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    How about approaching some online community sites like this one, you can post property details once a week with permission:

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    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 8th Aug 18, 10:22 AM
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    The house is fairly remote but what I am confused about is that houses on the islands off of Orkney are selling. This means either 2 boats or 2 planes to get from the mainland, no supermarket, no secondary school, Drs surgery only open a couple of days a week and hospital 2 ferries/planes away. If these houses are selling (for not a lot less despite being older) then my house can not still be on the market because it is remote. Although it looks in the middle of nowhere it is as I said only 10 minutes from the local village, school bus comes to the end of the drive for primary and secondary.
    Originally posted by Becks32
    My point about the house being in the middle of nowhere was in response to someone saying that you get a lot for your money in the area. The same can be said about most very rural areas with few local amenities.

    Who was it that put offers in that fell through? Were those people local to Orkney who had trouble selling their own homes?
    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 8th Aug 18, 10:23 AM
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    Oil execs? How many oil companies are headquartered up in Orkney? Sure there's the Flotta terminal but it's on a different island as is a 2 hour drive away from the OP's house.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 8th Aug 18, 11:17 AM
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    BY the time someone is looking at the Orkney for a remote property with a bit of land a pink wall won't be a problem.

    The layouts are going to be expected as well.

    There is good reasons why these islands don't have big(any) trees and there is a lot of ground floor living.

    if you want traditional(well slightly more) you need to be looking in the high density areas.

    What has sold anywhere that is anything like this

    its a struggle to find details


    Nov 17 for 145k

    May 16 262k

    Nether Gaira, sold for 150k in Sept 16

    early 16
    South Windwick, 160k
    The Hill House, 150k

    What were those last 3 like?
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 8th Aug 18, 11:39 AM
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    I am a little concerned that there are so many posts about there being no downstairs toilet - There is! As mentioned before bedrooms downstairs is fairly normal for Scotland and not something I can change. I can see that the colour scheme could be off putting (This can definitely be changed!). The landscaping outside is more difficult due to logistics and lack of funds available, will certainly look in to options though. We have someone mowing the grass regularly so could ask him to advise.


    We have had about 8 serious offers since it has been on the market of which 7 couldn't sell their houses and 1 couldn't get a mortgage due to previous debt issues. The house pictures have only recently been changed to show it as empty and we didn't have any more interest when it was shown as furnished, although I agree that people aren't able to visualise themselves and its always better furnished.


    The house is fairly remote but what I am confused about is that houses on the islands off of Orkney are selling. This means either 2 boats or 2 planes to get from the mainland, no supermarket, no secondary school, Drs surgery only open a couple of days a week and hospital 2 ferries/planes away. If these houses are selling (for not a lot less despite being older) then my house can not still be on the market because it is remote. Although it looks in the middle of nowhere it is as I said only 10 minutes from the local village, school bus comes to the end of the drive for primary and secondary.
    Originally posted by Becks32

    people are not saying there is no toilet downstairs. They are saying there is no bathroom downstairs.
    I live in a 4 bedroom property in a rural area in the north of Scotland with a similar layout of 2 bedrooms downstairs and two upstairs.

    But, I have a shower room downstairs and a bathroom with over bath shower upstairs.

    A downstairs toilet does not meet the needs of morning or night bathing for those using the downstairs bedrooms.

    You could put it into an auction with an upset price.

    I do not see it listed on the HSPC website.
    When we were looking to move north that is where we looked and found our house.
    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 8th Aug 18, 11:40 AM
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    Who was it that put offers in that fell through? Were those people local to Orkney who had trouble selling their own homes?
    Originally posted by Pixie5740

    We have had about 8 serious offers since it has been on the market of which 7 couldn't sell their houses

    From a previous post of the OP's
    • Teasedale
    • By Teasedale 8th Aug 18, 11:43 AM
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    Things that you can do.

    Create a website for it with good photos and an honest, enthusiastic appraisal.

    Drop your price.

    Market it at half price and give the purchaser a private mortgage - if you can afford to!

    Increase its market exposure by advertising it also on Gumtree, eBay, anywhere. www.greenshifters.co.uk maybe?

    Get editorial coverage of your story anywhere you can, journos always need a story. Start with the nationals and work down to the free papers. Make sure that your website URL goes in the story!
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