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    • Rob_ja
    • By Rob_ja 7th Aug 18, 9:55 AM
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    Who is liable, incorrect cubic volume calculations?
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    • 7th Aug 18, 9:55 AM
    Who is liable, incorrect cubic volume calculations? 7th Aug 18 at 9:55 AM
    Can anyone help with any previous examples please?

    We believe we are semi detached, all our documents, surveys, insurance etc say so. Our land registry document when we bought the property doesn't say either way. Our architect and structural engineers designed and built a loft conversion using those measurements. We have now found out that the land registry classes us as terrace and our permitted development has been refused. I know we should have waited for permission before working but we were advised it would be OK.

    If we assume land registry hasn't made a mistake (our neighbours garage touches his neighbours) and we are enforced (not sure yet) to reduce the cubic volume, who would be liable for the costs? Architect, structural engineer or us?

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    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 7th Aug 18, 9:59 AM
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    What did the council say when you asked for planning consent on the conversion?
    I'd rather be an Optimist and be proved wrong than a Pessimist and be proved right.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 7th Aug 18, 10:03 AM
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    Why do you believe you have a semi-detached rather than a terraced property? Surely you knew what the house was when you bought it?
    • Le_Kirk
    • By Le_Kirk 7th Aug 18, 10:04 AM
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    • 7th Aug 18, 10:04 AM
    You might be better off on "In my home (includes DIY) ... " as there are some experienced builders on that forum. Just send a PM to Chickabiddybex or Dizzy Ditzy and ask them to move it for you.
    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 7th Aug 18, 10:05 AM
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    • 7th Aug 18, 10:05 AM
    You would be liable should any costs arise. You are the owner and the project manager and it was you that decided to press ahead before permission was granted. Presumably you instructed work to start, or did the architect or structural engineer instruct work to begin without your permission?
    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 7th Aug 18, 10:05 AM
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    Unless you are the end of a terrace, a terraced house does not normally have a garage.
    I'd rather be an Optimist and be proved wrong than a Pessimist and be proved right.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 7th Aug 18, 10:09 AM
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    Unless you are the end of a terrace, a terraced house does not normally have a garage.
    Originally posted by peter_the_piper
    There's no reason why a terrace can't have garages whether by design or having the property converted to include them. If it's sharing a wall with 2 properties then it's a terrace unless it's an end-terrace, in which case it's still classed as a terrace, not semi-detached.
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    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 7th Aug 18, 10:11 AM
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    There's no reason why a terrace can't have garages whether by design or having the property coverted to include them.
    Originally posted by neilmcl
    Unless they've built over the garage they are usually described as links.
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    • bris
    • By bris 7th Aug 18, 11:05 AM
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    Semi detached is easy, two houses together, how can this be confused as a terraced house?


    Op is there more than two houses in your row?


    Ok just re read your post, yes you are a terraced house, as you say your neighbours garage touches his which means there's at least three of you in a row.


    How could surveyors and architects get this wrong?
    Last edited by bris; 07-08-2018 at 11:08 AM.
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 7th Aug 18, 1:29 PM
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    are the garages attached to the houses.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 7th Aug 18, 1:37 PM
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    Semi detached is easy, two houses together, how can this be confused as a terraced house?


    Op is there more than two houses in your row?


    Ok just re read your post, yes you are a terraced house, as you say your neighbours garage touches his which means there's at least three of you in a row.


    How could surveyors and architects get this wrong?
    Originally posted by bris
    Not necessarily, a garage on it's own butting up to another house/garage does not make it semi or terraced house. There has to be a common, shared wall between the properties to constitute a semi or terraced property.
    Last edited by neilmcl; 07-08-2018 at 1:40 PM.
    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 7th Aug 18, 5:15 PM
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    My attached garage is connected to my neighbors attached garage but this does not make our bungalows terraced or semidetached. As I asked previously just what did the planning department actually say.
    I'd rather be an Optimist and be proved wrong than a Pessimist and be proved right.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 7th Aug 18, 5:30 PM
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    An example of a linked detached, how can someone say it's a terrace?
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    • Rob_ja
    • By Rob_ja 7th Aug 18, 6:15 PM
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    Thanks for all the helpful replies...
    So a bit more info as requested!!!8230;
    Planning permission is NOT required as a loft conversion falls under permitted development. This according to both our architect and contractor is reason why its fine to start hence us asking if we are liable when we have advice from the 'experts'.


    The permission denied from our council is because they classed as a Terrace. A terrace house at the end of a run is only allowed 40m3 increase while a semi detached is allowed 50m3 increase.


    Our house and our neighbours are symmetrical in shape and our neighbour does not join roofs with his neighbour. They are also a different style and were built 4 years after the rest of the homes on our road. The only link is a garage (not sure if this is callused as official part wall, but it is touching) which falls back to Andy Mc's point above. So what constitutes an end of terrace or semi-detached in this situation, as it is still not clear as garnered by replies so far.


    Our survey and the survey from the previous owner all class our house as semi-detached. Answers to those who asked how can we not tell, hopefully that explains it.


    Currently we are appealing the refusal on grounds that our house is a semi and not end of terrace.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 7th Aug 18, 6:58 PM
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    Sounds like you have a semi, your neighbours is a semi too but linked to another. Hopefully they haven't built over their garages or it could be argued it's a terrace.
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    • maninthestreet
    • By maninthestreet 7th Aug 18, 7:08 PM
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    A picture may help.
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    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 7th Aug 18, 7:26 PM
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    Can you check the planning permission for your and your neighbour's houses?

    Were they described a semis or terraced when planning permission was applied for?
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 7th Aug 18, 7:40 PM
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    A picture may help.
    Originally posted by maninthestreet
    Another thread where the important details are a secret.
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    • Rob_ja
    • By Rob_ja 7th Aug 18, 8:30 PM
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    Not a secret and not difficult to picture. It's very similar to AndyMc's photo... Starting from my house, then neighbours house, recessed garage and then house (belonging to my neighbours neighbour)


    Terraced or semi detached?
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 7th Aug 18, 8:54 PM
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    Not a secret and not difficult to picture. It's very similar to AndyMc's photo... Starting from my house, then neighbours house, recessed garage and then house (belonging to my neighbours neighbour)


    Terraced or semi detached?
    Originally posted by Rob_ja
    For the third time, has anyone built over the garage?
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