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    • ian103
    • By ian103 7th Aug 18, 9:42 AM
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    New laptop / all in one computer
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    • 7th Aug 18, 9:42 AM
    New laptop / all in one computer 7th Aug 18 at 9:42 AM
    I'm in the process of replacing my laptop an HP Pavilion 15, current spec is an i5 4200 1.6GHz, 8GB of RAM and 1TB harddrive.


    I think the laptop was purchased late 2013 / early 2014. It was a PC World special offer.


    Can any one recommend a laptop or all in one / supplier (never used ebuyer or AO but they seem to have some decent deals) I dont want to spend too much as its used for simple office applications / browsing the net / watching videos etc.
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    • missile
    • By missile 7th Aug 18, 9:50 AM
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    John Lewis have a good range and their after sales is far better than PC World.
    "A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Gandhi
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    • psychic teabag
    • By psychic teabag 7th Aug 18, 10:21 AM
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    • 7th Aug 18, 10:21 AM
    What aspect of your current laptop experience is letting you down ?

    Sounds like it ought to be capable of doing the things you are asking for (and better specced that what I'm using).
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 7th Aug 18, 10:33 AM
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    • 7th Aug 18, 10:33 AM
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    • 7th Aug 18, 10:33 AM
    I wont get involved in recommending consumer laptops as there are others on here that are better than me at it ..
    But i will say , dont get an AIO - you WILL be dissapointed and they are notoriously hard to repair/upgrade
    Running with scissors since 1978
    • ian103
    • By ian103 7th Aug 18, 10:37 AM
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    • 7th Aug 18, 10:37 AM
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    The case is cracked in a few places from clumbsy handling and the battery life is now quite poor, says 3 hrs but it struggles to get much past an hour. Ive just had a look to see if a replacement battery is a viable option - HP no longer offer this as a spare (Im guessing its an old style). I am very wary of generic batteries as Ive had very poor experiences in the past.
    Last edited by ian103; 07-08-2018 at 10:49 AM.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 7th Aug 18, 1:34 PM
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    • 7th Aug 18, 1:34 PM
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    • 7th Aug 18, 1:34 PM
    I'm in the process of replacing my laptop an HP Pavilion 15, current spec is an i5 4200 1.6GHz, 8GB of RAM and 1TB harddrive.


    I think the laptop was purchased late 2013 / early 2014. It was a PC World special offer.


    Can any one recommend a laptop or all in one / supplier (never used ebuyer or AO but they seem to have some decent deals) I dont want to spend too much as its used for simple office applications / browsing the net / watching videos etc.
    Originally posted by ian103
    Was it a refurb at £265 when purchased or did you pay full price, £400 to £430?

    What's your budget now?

    I think people are gently trying to suggest that you bought carp before and you shouldn't do it again, by purchasing an AIO or a plasticky consumer quality machine if you are going to spend £400.
    • ian103
    • By ian103 7th Aug 18, 1:48 PM
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    • 7th Aug 18, 1:48 PM
    Mid 300s from memory, in fairness its been fine, the damage is by abuse rather than poor quality, I have an acer for work (sold as a buiness machine - and that is carp) The HP isnt as good as the one it replaced but for the money / lifespan Im not complaining.



    The AIO desktop was just an idea as its a larger screenand I could have video playing whilst at my desk etc. A laptop probably works better for me as I can use whilst in the living room etc.



    Budget isnt fixed, its a balance of specification / build quality / what people recommend. I tend to only look when my current machine starts to show its age so I dont really knwo whats on the market or what represents the best buy (Intel vs AMD etc)



    Living in Cornwall limits the number of outlets I can visit to see what they stock. The local PC World is not the best. So it will have to be mail order.
    • toshi
    • By toshi 7th Aug 18, 2:00 PM
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    • 7th Aug 18, 2:00 PM
    The case is cracked in a few places from clumbsy handling
    Originally posted by ian103
    Because you have got a consumer grade computer, then avoid the same mistake. (Andypix mentioned about AIO - typical disposable consumer grade C**P )

    Option 1)
    Get a business grade (refurbished) computer, (avoid consumer grade computers, the build quality is different)
    https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/

    The above is the only suggestion but you can get some ideas on business grade computers, please do your own research. Other MSE members will assist to find a better deal.

    the battery life is now quite poor, says 3 hrs but it struggles to get much past an hour. Ive just had a look to see if a replacement battery is a viable option - HP no longer offer this as a spare (Im guessing its an old style). I am very wary of generic batteries as Ive had very poor experiences in the past.
    Originally posted by ian103
    Option 2)
    Upgrading the existing one.Here is the money saving site, I want to add the upgrade option as well.

    I can find a genuine or high quality 3rd party battery at £ 30-40. Yes, I agree with you, eBay £15 batteries are FAKE FAKE FAKE. (30% less capacity at least and works only 6 months ?)
    In addition, just replace the hard disk with an SSD. 250GB £55 or 500GB £ 83 (Crucial MX500 5 year warranty) if you install the SSD by yourself, you can get the 5 years warranty from the manufacturer directly.

    Crucial® MX500 SSD - Make Your Computer Faster
    (MX500 is my preference, of course you can choose other brand as well)

    Happy computing
    • prowla
    • By prowla 7th Aug 18, 2:04 PM
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    • 7th Aug 18, 2:04 PM
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    I don't quite "get" AIOs, unless you are a neatness obsessive; a separate monitor & case gives you more flexibility and (i) reduces the impact of a failure & (ii) allows you to upgrade separately.


    I'm currently on a Dell 3020 micro, for which you can get a VESA housing to attach it to the back of the monitor to effectively make it an AIO (but I have it attached to the underside of a shelf instead). The Dell micro models (mine is older) are really easy to access to upgrade/replace parts.


    Alternatively, for laptops, it may be an option to replace the bodyshell - my son's HP laptop's hinge failed earlier in the year, so we got a new upper deck for it on ebay and swapped all the gubbins over to it.
    • ian103
    • By ian103 7th Aug 18, 2:19 PM
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    Toshi, thanks for that link - I may try and see if I can nurse my currect laptop along for a few weeks - we will be up near their offices shortly so I may call in.



    In fairness the AIO was literally for neatness as it can sit on the edge of my desk. With the link toshi provided I may even be able to stretch to a laptop and a AIO.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 7th Aug 18, 2:48 PM
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    Toshi, thanks for that link - I may try and see if I can nurse my currect laptop along for a few weeks - we will be up near their offices shortly so I may call in.



    In fairness the AIO was literally for neatness as it can sit on the edge of my desk. With the link toshi provided I may even be able to stretch to a laptop and a AIO.
    Originally posted by ian103
    Hold that thought. HP consumer laptops often have an unfriendly design, so to change the HDD to SSD is more fiddly than it needs to be; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd5FdeF3PP8

    These are things you need to consider before buying shiny carp with specification simply to impress the novice.
    You don't need the latest and greatest. My current laptop is nine years old. I can use multiple browser with a multiple of tabs open at the same time, whilst at the same time play music and find the YouTube video for you.
    That is with a nine year old Celeron processor, though with an SSD fitted.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 7th Aug 18, 3:05 PM
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    Mid 300s from memory, in fairness its been fine, the damage is by abuse rather than poor quality, I have an acer for work (sold as a buiness machine - and that is carp) The HP isnt as good as the one it replaced but for the money / lifespan Im not complaining.



    The AIO desktop was just an idea as its a larger screenand I could have video playing whilst at my desk etc. A laptop probably works better for me as I can use whilst in the living room etc.



    Budget isnt fixed, its a balance of specification / build quality / what people recommend. I tend to only look when my current machine starts to show its age so I dont really knwo whats on the market or what represents the best buy (Intel vs AMD etc)



    Living in Cornwall limits the number of outlets I can visit to see what they stock. The local PC World is not the best. So it will have to be mail order.
    Originally posted by ian103
    If you want a larger screen, you can consider prowla's idea. That way you can get a decent high quality monitor for not a lot. I use a 24" full HD screen for my PC.
    So there's enough space to split the screen and also work with a wireless keyboard so you aren't stuck to the desk.
    But Mini PC are relatively expensive for what they offer.
    • grumpycrab
    • By grumpycrab 7th Aug 18, 6:30 PM
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    I'm in the process of replacing my laptop an HP Pavilion 15
    Originally posted by ian103
    Exact model number? (or a picture of the base) You may know yourself - if it has a service hatch replacing the HDD is easy (rather than having to take the whole back off.)
    If you put your general location in your Profile, somebody here may be able to come and help you.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 7th Aug 18, 11:09 PM
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    Exact model number? (or a picture of the base) You may know yourself - if it has a service hatch replacing the HDD is easy (rather than having to take the whole back off.)
    Originally posted by grumpycrab
    I already posted a link in #11.
    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 8th Aug 18, 11:44 AM
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    Apologies for gate crashing.

    From the link above I like the look of this.

    Can anyone tell me what the value would be new? I know little and was looking for something around £500 but this looks good value.

    I'd got as far as restricting my search to i5 processor, SSD, 8GB RAM. As I say, my knowledge is limited.
    • almillar
    • By almillar 8th Aug 18, 2:03 PM
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    Sounds like OP really wants:
    A laptop
    A monitor
    (optional) A mouse and keyboard, docking station
    Instead of a laptop AND AIO.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 8th Aug 18, 4:11 PM
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    Apologies for gate crashing.

    From the link above I like the look of this.

    Can anyone tell me what the value would be new? I know little and was looking for something around £500 but this looks good value.

    I'd got as far as restricting my search to i5 processor, SSD, 8GB RAM. As I say, my knowledge is limited.
    Originally posted by silvercar
    No. Overpriced. £319 with Windows 10 Pro
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-EliteBook-840-G1-14-Laptop-Intel-Core-i5-1-6GHz-4GB-Ram-320GB-HDD-Win-10Pro/183225744173
    SSD £25.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=030wT4kcHIQ
    £155 in total, albeit with 4 GB and Grade C as opposed to Grade B.
    8GB; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-EliteBook-840-G1-14-Laptop-Intel-Core-i5-1-6GHz-8GB-Ram-250GB-SSD-Win-10/202395045206
    There are many online, so you can look for one in better condition....if you want one.
    • ian103
    • By ian103 10th Aug 18, 9:35 AM
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    Is this laptop a good specification or is there better out there, my budget is upto £600, Ive decided against refurb and would prefer new.
    https://www.ebuyer.com/805723-hp-250-g6-i7-laptop-2sy44es-2sy44es-abu
    • ian103
    • By ian103 10th Aug 18, 9:42 AM
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    or these:-
    https://www.johnlewis.com/hp-pavilion-14-bf015na-laptop-intel-core-i5-8gb-ram-256gb-m-2-14-inch-full-hd-orchid-pink-silver/p3531136


    https://www.johnlewis.com/asus-vivobook-pro-n580vd-dm029t-laptop-intel-core-i5-8gb-1tb-128-ssd-geforce-gtx-1050-15-6-inch-gold/p3404516
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 10th Aug 18, 11:15 AM
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    I thought you stated that wanted a larger screen. Now you are down to 14".
    None of those would be on my shortlist and with your insistence that poor handling is the reason for the premature demise of your HP laptop, no one is going to recommend another to you...
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