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    • LuckyEddy56
    • By LuckyEddy56 6th Aug 18, 9:06 PM
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    The seller now wants more money
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    • 6th Aug 18, 9:06 PM
    The seller now wants more money 6th Aug 18 at 9:06 PM
    I bought a motorcycle cheaply from a nice old lady who's son had left it sitting in her garden for years. I made an offer, the old lady told me she would consult her family to check if the offer was acceptable, she said she had checked and that it was. Now, after I got the bike through the MOT without having to spend much, her granddaughter has contacted me saying she wants more money or the bike back and that the old lady never had the right to sell it to me, also, as the old lady and I both signed the V5 in the names of someone else, ( I signed it in my sons name as I was buying it for him, she signed it in her sons name as he is disabled and unable to deal with it himself), the granddaughter is also threatening to report the bike as stolen if I don't pay her more or give the bike back. I don't know where I stand ? Can someone please advise me what to do? Thank you.
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    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 6th Aug 18, 9:30 PM
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    How cheaply? I'd be inclined to ignore her and take the gamble that she's not going to get her own mother charged with theft (as she'd have been the one to steal it).

    Or you can offer for her to buy it back for what you paid including costs to collect it and MOT.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 6th Aug 18, 9:50 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 9:50 PM
    I bought a motorcycle cheaply from a nice old lady who's son had left it sitting in her garden for years. I made an offer, the old lady told me she would consult her family to check if the offer was acceptable, she said she had checked and that it was. Now, after I got the bike through the MOT without having to spend much, her granddaughter has contacted me saying she wants more money or the bike back and that the old lady never had the right to sell it to me, also, as the old lady and I both signed the V5 in the names of someone else, ( I signed it in my sons name as I was buying it for him, she signed it in her sons name as he is disabled and unable to deal with it himself), the granddaughter is also threatening to report the bike as stolen if I don't pay her more or give the bike back. I don't know where I stand ? Can someone please advise me what to do? Thank you.
    Originally posted by LuckyEddy56
    What's the make and model of the bike, how much did you pay and what's it's true value?
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    • LuckyEddy56
    • By LuckyEddy56 6th Aug 18, 9:50 PM
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    Hi and thank you for the message, I am worried that as the V5 had not actually been signed by the new keeper and old keeper, that she could somehow make it look like I had stolen it and get the police to retrieve it for her? I was told they were thinking of scrapping it and the old lady informed me that she had been instructed to take "Any offer", I offered her £300, knowing it needed tyres and a battery and may need a chain and sprocket set and may have other problems?
    • Arklight
    • By Arklight 6th Aug 18, 9:55 PM
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    This sweet old lady and her daughter are trying to make a monkey out of you. How many times has this "motorbike" been sold and swiped back from the hands of the buyer I wonder?
    • LuckyEddy56
    • By LuckyEddy56 6th Aug 18, 9:56 PM
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    • 6th Aug 18, 9:56 PM
    It's a Suzuki 1250 bandit that had been sitting on two flat tyres with a rusty chain and rusty brake disks and without being started for years. It also has a damaged petrol tank and a broken front fairing. I offered her £300 not knowing how much it would cost to get back on the road. In good condition and with an MOT, they fetch between 2-3k on Ebay
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 6th Aug 18, 9:58 PM
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    The V5 is a bit of a red herring, since it tells everyone in big red letter it is not a proof of ownership. You were clearly entitled to buy, but was the old lady entitled to sell?

    When you say "signed in the name of" what do you mean? If you signed "Joe Bloggs for Fred Bloggs", no problem. If you forged Fred's signature, that complicates matters.
    • photome
    • By photome 6th Aug 18, 9:58 PM
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    This sweet old lady and her daughter are trying to make a monkey out of you. How many times has this "motorbike" been sold and swiped back from the hands of the buyer I wonder?
    Originally posted by Arklight
    Or the Op will make more than a monkey when he sells it
    • Arklight
    • By Arklight 6th Aug 18, 9:59 PM
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    Hi and thank you for the message, I am worried that as the V5 had not actually been signed by the new keeper and old keeper, that she could somehow make it look like I had stolen it and get the police to retrieve it for her? I was told they were thinking of scrapping it and the old lady informed me that she had been instructed to take "Any offer", I offered her £300, knowing it needed tyres and a battery and may need a chain and sprocket set and may have other problems?
    Originally posted by LuckyEddy56
    The V5C has nothing to do with ownership, although it does rather underscore the risks of buying a vehicle from someone who isn't the registered keeper.

    If you already have a record of her saying that her mother sold it to you (albeit she's disputing that she was allowed to) I don't think they are going to come after you for theft. Most people don't write / text / email / phone motorbike thieves.
    • LuckyEddy56
    • By LuckyEddy56 6th Aug 18, 10:01 PM
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    Actually, 2 years ago, I offered her £1500 for it if I could pay it off £200 a month but she said no. I also offered (for free), to have the bike repaired for her and to sell it for her on Ebay just to help her out but she said no to that too? Then 2 years on, I bumped into her again and she said she had been hoping to see me around and that they want rid of the bike and were thinking of scrapping it and would accept any offer!
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 6th Aug 18, 10:03 PM
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    It's a Suzuki 1250 bandit that had been sitting on two flat tyres with a rusty chain and rusty brake disks and without being started for years. It also has a damaged petrol tank and a broken front fairing. I offered her £300 not knowing how much it would cost to get back on the road. In good condition and with an MOT, they fetch between 2-3k on Ebay
    Originally posted by LuckyEddy56
    So you paid 1/10th of its true value.
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    • LuckyEddy56
    • By LuckyEddy56 6th Aug 18, 10:04 PM
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    I told her it was being bought for my son, so I signed it in his name. She signed her sons name. Both her and her husband repeatedly informed me that the family just want to get rid of it, and that they had spoken to them and that my offer was ok. I made the mistake of telling the old lady that it had passed the MOT, The tyres just needed pumping up and it needed a new battery. After that, her face changed and I got contacted from the granddaughter :-(
    • LuckyEddy56
    • By LuckyEddy56 6th Aug 18, 10:11 PM
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    Yes, but then add on £70 for a new battery, it turned out that the tyres needed replacing even though the tread was ok, so my son bought 2 pirelli diablo's and had them fitted (£250) It has a badly damaged fuel tank (Heavily dented on both sides) and a broken front fairing, so yes, still a great buy but as the petrol had been sitting in it for so long there was a risk of bigger problems if the injectors were clogged etc ?
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 6th Aug 18, 10:13 PM
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    So you paid 1/10th of its true value.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    Only if you ignore the fact it's borderline scrap.

    It's a 6-11yo bike. Value is a very wide spread, based on condition. This sounds like a shed that might, with a lot of time and parts, be worth the good condition value.
    • LuckyEddy56
    • By LuckyEddy56 6th Aug 18, 10:16 PM
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    But can the granddaughter do anything about it?
    • LuckyEddy56
    • By LuckyEddy56 6th Aug 18, 10:20 PM
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    Thank you, I think the granddaughter knew about and agreed my offer but as soon as she found out it passed the MOT she got annoyed and wanted more money? do you think I or my son have anything "legally" to be worried about though?
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 6th Aug 18, 10:21 PM
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    But can the granddaughter do anything about it?
    Originally posted by LuckyEddy56
    No, she can't. She can send you stroppies as long as she likes, but that's about it.


    Whether you told Gran about the MOT or not is irrelevant - it's trivially easy to check from the plate.
    • Smellyonion
    • By Smellyonion 6th Aug 18, 10:21 PM
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    You bought it . That's it.

    How can she report it stolen weeks after the event when they knowingly knew it was "stolen "

    It's a civil matter.
    • jk0
    • By jk0 6th Aug 18, 10:21 PM
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    I don't think they'll have much luck claiming it's been stolen.


    Are they also saying you stole the V5 which you completed as well, but reported neither item when it happened?


    Tell them to jogg on.
    • LuckyEddy56
    • By LuckyEddy56 6th Aug 18, 10:29 PM
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    Thanks Adrian, that makes me feel a whole lot better. I will inform her that I have no intention of giving her any more money nor will I be returning the bike, then it's up to her if she wants to attempt to claim it had been stolen? Thanks mate
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