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    • scrumpyjill
    • By scrumpyjill 3rd Aug 18, 12:56 AM
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    Millennium Parking Services Appeal rejected
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    • 3rd Aug 18, 12:56 AM
    Millennium Parking Services Appeal rejected 3rd Aug 18 at 12:56 AM
    Hi there


    I have read through a lot of the info on this forum but still don't understand what my next step is.


    14/06/2018 - PCN received on Enterprise Park Swansea - parked on the entrance road to a set of buildings on a main road in the Enterprise Park - signs much further back on what looks to be the actual entry to the car parking for the buildings.


    20/07/2018 - Sent appeal to MPS on their appeals section as per the template on here - this included the part that I will not accept any response from them by email.


    26/06/2018 - Keeper received response as a letter attached to an email. There is no Notice to Keeper information on this letter.


    Unsure if I should post the wording of their reply?


    Can anyone help as to what my next step is? It wasn't the keeper either, but have not stated that in the appeal.


    Unsure if this is relevant or not, but the actual PCN is barely legible in parts - as if someone's wiped the ink off a lot of it.


    Many thanks.


    Last edited by scrumpyjill; 03-08-2018 at 1:35 AM.
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 3rd Aug 18, 7:11 AM
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    • 3rd Aug 18, 7:11 AM
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    • 3rd Aug 18, 7:11 AM
    I have read through a lot of the info on this forum but still don't understand what my next step is.
    Have you attempted to contact the landowner and ask them to intervene? It may not work, but sometimes it does.

    Beyond that, there is no next step for you unless/until MPS issue court proceedings, which, if you don't want to pay what they are claiming, you put up a robust defence and associated other paperwork, then let a Judge determine whether the charge is payable. They have 6 years to issue court proceedings.

    I know you'll find this answer frustrating, but there is really nothing more you can now do but wait and see what the next move is by MPS.

    Why not complain to your MP - there's important private parking stuff to shortly go through Parliament - get him involved to get the law changed.
    Last edited by Umkomaas; 03-08-2018 at 8:09 AM.
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
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    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 3rd Aug 18, 8:17 AM
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    • #3
    • 3rd Aug 18, 8:17 AM
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    • 3rd Aug 18, 8:17 AM
    PCN received on Enterprise Park Swansea - parked on the entrance road to a set of buildings on a main road in the Enterprise Park - signs much further back on what looks to be the actual entry to the car parking for the buildings.
    Did you actually pass any MPS signs prior to parking. Retrace your route and see if you missed any. Take pics of the road to show (if you need to) there was no warning of entering a "controlled zone".

    Also look up Liverpool JLA and the signs there for contrast to what should be up rather than the flimsy MPS ones.
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    4. Template defences that say nothing - See #1
    5. Forgetting about the Witness Statement - See #3
    • scrumpyjill
    • By scrumpyjill 12th Aug 18, 11:08 PM
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    • 12th Aug 18, 11:08 PM
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    • 12th Aug 18, 11:08 PM
    Hi again

    Okay so yesterday the keeper received a NTK. Looking for payment of 100. It states within the wording on the really flimsy paper they have printed it on:

    "The liability for the charge in light of the contravention was brought to the attention of the driver by clear signage on the site at the time of parking."

    This is definitely not the case - if they had seen any warning notices the driver would not have parked where they did. There is signage further back just before the bend in the road leading to the estate. The red/yellow sign is facing outwards towards where you turn into the road but is much further back and you don't pass it or even drive near to it (or even notice it!). There is also another sign set sideways behind that one that isn't visible to anyone looking towards the red/yellow sign.

    Should they still be leaving this and not doing anything with it?

    Also to note: There were 3 cars that parked there together. For this PCN the appeal was sent in later than the other two cars (a few days), and they have yet to receive any response to their appeals or receive a NTK. Is anyone aware of why this would be?

    Thank you all so much for reading and for any help - it is really appreciated!
    Last edited by scrumpyjill; 14-08-2018 at 7:22 AM.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 12th Aug 18, 11:23 PM
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    • 12th Aug 18, 11:23 PM
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    • 12th Aug 18, 11:23 PM
    After the initial appeal there is nothing else to do when dealing with IPC companies except wait and see if they take court action against you


    (See #2 & #3 above - did you take those pics you were advised to in case you need them in future?)


    Throughout here you are advised never to reveal who was driving


    You need to edit your post to remove details of who was driving


    The ppcs monitor here and can use your posts against you
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 13th Aug 18, 6:50 AM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 6:50 AM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 6:50 AM
    Who is MPS chasing, you or the registered keeper? Did you appeal (in your own name/address) or did you appeal (in the name/address of the RK) or did the RK appeal (in their name and address).

    It's a little bit confusing as to who is doing what at the moment.
    Last edited by Umkomaas; 13-08-2018 at 12:18 PM.
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
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    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 13th Aug 18, 9:04 AM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 9:04 AM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 9:04 AM
    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the House of Commons recently

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41 recently.

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
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    • By Fruitcake 13th Aug 18, 11:44 AM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 11:44 AM
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    • 13th Aug 18, 11:44 AM
    As advised above, you need to edit post 4 to remove information about who parked. Only ever refer to The Driver and The Keeper.

    Parking scammers read these fora and have been known to use information from here against motorists.
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    • scrumpyjill
    • By scrumpyjill 14th Aug 18, 7:19 AM
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    • 14th Aug 18, 7:19 AM
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    • 14th Aug 18, 7:19 AM
    After the initial appeal there is nothing else to do when dealing with IPC companies except wait and see if they take court action against you
    Originally posted by Quentin
    Okay, thanks.

    (See #2 & #3 above - did you take those pics you were advised to in case you need them in future?)
    Yes I have

    Throughout here you are advised never to reveal who was driving.

    You need to edit your post to remove details of who was driving.


    The ppcs monitor here and can use your posts against you
    Done
    • scrumpyjill
    • By scrumpyjill 14th Aug 18, 7:20 AM
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    Who is MPS chasing, you or the registered keeper? Did you appeal (in your own name/address) or did you appeal (in the name/address of the RK) or did the RK appeal (in their name and address).

    It's a little bit confusing as to who is doing what at the moment.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    MPS is chasing the keeper. At no time has the keeper stated who was driving, and the appeal was done by the keeper.
    Last edited by scrumpyjill; 14-08-2018 at 7:23 AM.
    • scrumpyjill
    • By scrumpyjill 14th Aug 18, 7:22 AM
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    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    Originally posted by The Deep
    Will do, thanks
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 14th Aug 18, 3:34 PM
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    MPS is chasing the keeper. At no time has the keeper stated who was driving, and the appeal was done by the keeper.
    Originally posted by scrumpyjill
    The keeper could reply to the NTK and state that it arrived too late for keeper liability under the POFA (you already know those dates from the Act, as linked in the NEWBIES thread) and that, if Millennium continue to process his/her data when they know they missed the NTK service window, he/she will complain to the ICO*.


    *Google it - complaints are easy to do online but need to be well worded.
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