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    • EpicFishFingers
    • By EpicFishFingers 1st Aug 18, 9:42 AM
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    Don't go to a Council-run MOT centre if there's any chance of failing at all.
    • #1
    • 1st Aug 18, 9:42 AM
    Don't go to a Council-run MOT centre if there's any chance of failing at all. 1st Aug 18 at 9:42 AM
    Just learned this the hard way.

    6 months ago I noticed I had a dead headlight and tried to replace it myself. Had previously paid Halfrauds 22 only to watch the chap effortlessly take a rubber seal off the back of the headlight housing, take out the bulb and put the new one in.
    Tried the magic trick myself and just spent half an hour shredding my hand. Tried shaking it, pulling and pushing, thrusting it (oo-er), the car bounced on its suspension but the !!!! wouldn't come out of the headlight housing. Something came up and I drove off, and forgot about it.

    Last week I noticed the MOT had run out so I booked it in at the local council place. Forgot about the headlight. Remembered at the test centre, and handed the mechanic the replacement bulb (maybe he, a mechanic, could hack it).

    He outright said he probably wouldn't do it. I should have taken the car there and then but was late for my train.

    The council run MOT centre shuts at 4pm. It's a proper compound with vanguard fencing etc - I suspect they won't leave the key on the wheel for me - I won't get back form work till gone 6, as is the norm with full-time employment.

    So now the car will fail, they won't fix it, I'll have to drive it tomorrow (possibly illegally, depending on what "minimum roadworthiness" actually means) to somewhere else and, because of the timing of picking it up/dropping it off, I'll be outside of the "next working day" so I'll have to pay for either a full-price or discount second-test MOT

    The thing is, if the car had working lights but failed on something unforeseen, I'd still be in this situation, forking out for a second MOT.

    So aside form the obvious "check the common stuff before you go", I'd add "don't go to the council MOT centre at all if it shuts before you can get home from work". Because you WILL fork out for another part or full MOT.

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, completely offsets the benefit of going to the council-run MOT centre in the first place. Very frustrating.
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    • arcon5
    • By arcon5 1st Aug 18, 8:45 PM
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    !!!55357;!!!56834;!!!55358;!!!56611;
    Best thing I've read all day.
    You take your car to an mot station that closes 2 hrs before you finish work and it's somehow their fault.
    They are also mot testers, not a consumer repair garage. That's the perks of them, no incentive to make work for themselves. If you want work doing take it to a garage!!

    And somehow it's their fault you may have to drive an unroadworthy vehicle.


    Oh And you assume the bulb was damaged and not the cluster. You may have a shock.


    Seems to me you need to start taking responsibility for your own actions.
    • custardy
    • By custardy 1st Aug 18, 8:53 PM
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    The council run MOT centre shuts at 4pm. It's a proper compound with vanguard fencing etc - I suspect they won't leave the key on the wheel for me - I won't get back form work till gone 6, as is the norm with full-time employment.
    .
    Originally posted by EpicFishFingers
    This gem always makes me laugh.
    You think the folks at the council servicing don't work full time?
    Or are they just not normal?
    It may come as a shock but people who don't work 9 to 5, still actually work.
    • Blackbeard of Perranporth
    • By Blackbeard of Perranporth 1st Aug 18, 9:05 PM
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    Just learned this the hard way.

    6 months ago I noticed I had a dead headlight and tried to replace it myself. Had previously paid Halfrauds 22 only to watch the chap effortlessly take a rubber seal off the back of the headlight housing, take out the bulb and put the new one in.
    Tried the magic trick myself and just spent half an hour shredding my hand. Tried shaking it, pulling and pushing, thrusting it (oo-er), the car bounced on its suspension but the !!!! wouldn't come out of the headlight housing. Something came up and I drove off, and forgot about it.

    Last week I noticed the MOT had run out so I booked it in at the local council place. Forgot about the headlight. Remembered at the test centre, and handed the mechanic the replacement bulb (maybe he, a mechanic, could hack it).

    He outright said he probably wouldn't do it. I should have taken the car there and then but was late for my train.

    The council run MOT centre shuts at 4pm. It's a proper compound with vanguard fencing etc - I suspect they won't leave the key on the wheel for me - I won't get back form work till gone 6, as is the norm with full-time employment.

    So now the car will fail, they won't fix it, I'll have to drive it tomorrow (possibly illegally, depending on what "minimum roadworthiness" actually means) to somewhere else and, because of the timing of picking it up/dropping it off, I'll be outside of the "next working day" so I'll have to pay for either a full-price or discount second-test MOT

    The thing is, if the car had working lights but failed on something unforeseen, I'd still be in this situation, forking out for a second MOT.

    So aside form the obvious "check the common stuff before you go", I'd add "don't go to the council MOT centre at all if it shuts before you can get home from work". Because you WILL fork out for another part or full MOT.

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, completely offsets the benefit of going to the council-run MOT centre in the first place. Very frustrating.
    Originally posted by EpicFishFingers
    So you drive your car on the road without a MoT. I would have crushed it to ...
    Cardiac Arrest - Electrical - Patient unconscious! Heart Attack - Plumbing - Patient conscious!
    Defibrillators Cannot Cure a Heart Attack!
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 1st Aug 18, 10:07 PM
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    This gem always makes me laugh.
    You think the folks at the council servicing don't work full time?
    Or are they just not normal?
    It may come as a shock but people who don't work 9 to 5, still actually work.
    Originally posted by custardy
    Good point. Our vehicle workshop used to open around 5.30 am, the same time that the dustman started work, and would close around 7pm. We had vehicles running through the night. The MOT tests weren't done in house though.
    Last edited by Nick_C; 01-08-2018 at 11:28 PM.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 2nd Aug 18, 10:59 AM
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    Veolia Mot Tester, please remove your number as advertising is not allowed.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 2nd Aug 18, 11:16 AM
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    Veolia Mot Tester, please remove your number as advertising is not allowed.
    Originally posted by neilmcl
    This is NOT advertising!

    It is a correction to out of date information on the main forum!

    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/cheap-mot/#localcouncil
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 2nd Aug 18, 11:24 AM
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    This is NOT advertising!

    It is a correction to out of date information on the main forum!

    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/cheap-mot/#localcouncil
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    And have you rang that new number to see if it is genuine?

    If he wants the number changed then he should contact the main site admins. The rules are quite clear regarding forum posts from people purportedly representing organisations, and there for very good reasons.
    Last edited by neilmcl; 02-08-2018 at 11:26 AM.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 2nd Aug 18, 11:38 AM
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    Ringing the number listed would not prove it is genuine. But checking the DVLA listing on the .gov website proves that it is.
    Last edited by Nick_C; 02-08-2018 at 11:47 AM.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 2nd Aug 18, 11:46 AM
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    EDIT: Note that Post 25, which contained a correction to information published on the main site, has now been deleted, but the following information maybe useful to some Forum Members:-

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    In case post 25 gets deleted, anyone trying to contact Croydon Council's MOT testing centre should know that the telephone number has changed.

    The correct number is 020 3567 6495

    The information on the main MSE site is wrong.

    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/cheap-mot/#localcouncil

    I've verified the new number with the DVSA.

    I don't work for Veolia (who have the contract with Croydon) and never have, but I do know that these guys are experts in vehicle maintenance, and keeping vehicles on the road in tip top condition is essential for their core activities.
    Last edited by Nick_C; 02-08-2018 at 6:40 PM.
    • EpicFishFingers
    • By EpicFishFingers 2nd Aug 18, 2:00 PM
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    I would hope this thread is a wind up. If not I hope op has learnt a valuable lesson in car ownership. Almost anyone can get caught out by an item on the mot like emissions or a suspension component. However every single driver should be able to check the basics of tyres and lights before an mot.
    Originally posted by angrycrow
    I mean if, at a normal garage, I'd have to pay for a full re-test even if the car failed and was repaired that day, then the council-run garage is definitely the best bet. Otherwise it seems easy to end up in a position where you need to drive elsewhere to get it sorted, then drive back the next day, and pay an extra 20 or so for a partial re-test, which is potentially 20 more than a normal garage would charge)

    Even worse is that the op was well aware his car would fail on a blown bulb yet still presented it for mot.
    No, not well aware, read the OP: I simply forgot. I'm not concerned about a bulb being out when I'm driving in the day all the time.

    I don't want to be sharing the road with drivers who are this negligent. Wonder when the op last checked their tyres and fluids.
    That's such a reach: because I let a bulb burn out and tried, but failed to fix it, I must also let my fluids and air run low? Both get checked weekly, believe it or not. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone checking all their lights weekly as well, but for the sake of this thread I'm sure you're all whiter than white and do exactly that.

    I have NEVER had a car fail a MOT because of a bulb.
    #


    Well don't get too cocky; I had a brake light fail on the way to the testing station!
    Nail on the head: even maintaining your car daily, you could still just have something fail on the way to the tst centre, or more likely miss something.
    We can all stop pretending we're all perfect and that I'm committing a cardinal sin now, thanks.


    Anyway: the council-run place ended up being really helpful AND they even repaired the faults.

    Car got no advisories but failed on two points: the headlight (surprise!) and also on one of the brakes sticking. I'm sure I'm satan himself for not doing the weekly brake tests too, right?

    Anyway the council repaired both things for me! Didn't even charge for the bulb as I had the spare ready! I'll definitely come back again, but will fix the small stuff first ofc.

    That said, seems like this is the exception to the rule that the garage chose to do repairs - they ARE a council garage and yet they carried out the work. Hmm...

    Also I never said it was the garage's fault they shut early, just that it means if you do fail, you run into the next day if they don't repair it. And then the next day again when you have to take it back. Pretty big inconvenience tbh.
    Most garages will leave your key on the wheel so you can at least pick it up, even if you've failed the MOT (shocker: they don't have sticks up their * like some here, talk about minor transgressions)

    And no I'm obviously not going to be posting my car make, model, how much of a shed it is, what council garage this is, or otherwise stitching anyone up
    • custardy
    • By custardy 2nd Aug 18, 6:22 PM
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    I mean if, at a normal garage, I'd have to pay for a full re-test even if the car failed and was repaired that day, then the council-run garage is definitely the best bet. Otherwise it seems easy to end up in a position where you need to drive elsewhere to get it sorted, then drive back the next day, and pay an extra 20 or so for a partial re-test, which is potentially 20 more than a normal garage would charge)



    No, not well aware, read the OP: I simply forgot. I'm not concerned about a bulb being out when I'm driving in the day all the time.



    That's such a reach: because I let a bulb burn out and tried, but failed to fix it, I must also let my fluids and air run low? Both get checked weekly, believe it or not. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone checking all their lights weekly as well, but for the sake of this thread I'm sure you're all whiter than white and do exactly that.



    Nail on the head: even maintaining your car daily, you could still just have something fail on the way to the tst centre, or more likely miss something.
    We can all stop pretending we're all perfect and that I'm committing a cardinal sin now, thanks.


    Anyway: the council-run place ended up being really helpful AND they even repaired the faults.

    Car got no advisories but failed on two points: the headlight (surprise!) and also on one of the brakes sticking. I'm sure I'm satan himself for not doing the weekly brake tests too, right?

    Anyway the council repaired both things for me! Didn't even charge for the bulb as I had the spare ready! I'll definitely come back again, but will fix the small stuff first ofc.

    That said, seems like this is the exception to the rule that the garage chose to do repairs - they ARE a council garage and yet they carried out the work. Hmm...

    Also I never said it was the garage's fault they shut early, just that it means if you do fail, you run into the next day if they don't repair it. And then the next day again when you have to take it back. Pretty big inconvenience tbh.
    Most garages will leave your key on the wheel so you can at least pick it up, even if you've failed the MOT (shocker: they don't have sticks up their * like some here, talk about minor transgressions)

    And no I'm obviously not going to be posting my car make, model, how much of a shed it is, what council garage this is, or otherwise stitching anyone up
    Originally posted by EpicFishFingers

    and if the car isnt there when you pick it up?
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 2nd Aug 18, 6:46 PM
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    And no I'm obviously not going to be posting my car make, model, how much of a shed it is, what council garage this is, or otherwise stitching anyone up
    Originally posted by EpicFishFingers
    Suit yourself, but if you share what car it is you might find out how to change the bulb.
    Don't harass a hippie. You'll get bad karma.

    Never trust a newbie with a rtb tale.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 3rd Aug 18, 1:04 PM
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    People driving with only one headlight are the bane in my driving life - well one of them. It leaves you wondering whether it is a car or a motorbike in your rear view mirror.
    • EdGasketTheSecond
    • By EdGasketTheSecond 3rd Aug 18, 1:14 PM
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    People driving with only one headlight are the bane in my driving life - well one of them. It leaves you wondering whether it is a car or a motorbike in your rear view mirror.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver

    If it is behind you why worry?
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 3rd Aug 18, 1:21 PM
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    If it is behind you why worry?
    Originally posted by EdGasketTheSecond
    Because motorbikes have a habit of overtaking suddenly. So you're waiting. . .
    You see cars with a light out all the time around here. Rural area too, so you often can't tell what it is.
    Bad maintenance. What else is wrong with the car?
    "I only drive it in the daytime so I don't need lights" is OK until the weather goes bad and you need them.
    "Luck happens where hard work meets opportunity"
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 3rd Aug 18, 1:44 PM
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    If it is behind you why worry?
    Originally posted by EdGasketTheSecond
    It can cause hesitancy in some drivers. I will be more cautious as I know that a bike may overtake me on either side. Also, often people drive with both dipped headlights gone and all they have left is a full beam dazzling you.
    • EdGasketTheSecond
    • By EdGasketTheSecond 3rd Aug 18, 4:09 PM
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    Well if a bike is going to overtake then it's their problem not mine. Only thing i take note of is tailgaiting as I could come off badly by a sudden move.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 4th Aug 18, 11:38 AM
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    Well if a bike is going to overtake then it's their problem not mine. Only thing i take note of is tailgaiting as I could come off badly by a sudden move.
    Originally posted by EdGasketTheSecond
    You're missing the point. Read my post again and this time, think while you're doing so.
    • takman
    • By takman 5th Aug 18, 1:01 AM
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    That's such a reach: because I let a bulb burn out and tried, but failed to fix it, I must also let my fluids and air run low? Both get checked weekly, believe it or not. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone checking all their lights weekly as well, but for the sake of this thread I'm sure you're all whiter than white and do exactly that.
    Originally posted by EpicFishFingers
    You just need to look online and see how the bulb is removed. If you can get into the back of the headlight with your hand then from then on its easy, the difficult cars are the ones where you can't easily get to the headlight.

    But your not really helping yourself to show your a good car owner when you must have never read an MOT certificate because every one says you can take it in a month before and preserve the expiry date.

    Plus your putting reminders in your phone to sort out small bits to pass the MOT test when you should be fixing the problems as they come up

    Okay that last bit is news to me - I always took it on the last day or after the last day for this exact reason

    Just stuck one in for next year, along with a reminder to sort the small bits beforehand cheers!
    Originally posted by EpicFishFingers
    • EpicFishFingers
    • By EpicFishFingers 6th Aug 18, 1:51 PM
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    People driving with only one headlight are the bane in my driving life - well one of them. It leaves you wondering whether it is a car or a motorbike in your rear view mirror.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    In fairness the sidelight wasn't burned out so you'd still see it's a car, it's not like one side of the car was completely dark (if it ever saw night driving anyway)


    You just need to look online and see how the bulb is removed. If you can get into the back of the headlight with your hand then from then on its easy, the difficult cars are the ones where you can't easily get to the headlight.
    Originally posted by takman
    This was the first thing I did and sadly I just couldn't !!!!ing hack it shredded the life out of my hand trying, too

    But your not really helping yourself to show your a good car owner when you must have never read an MOT certificate because every one says you can take it in a month before and preserve the expiry date.
    Originally posted by takman
    Admittedly I've let !!!! slide recently. Let the bulb burn out, didn't fix the cracked rear light housing until now either, there's a scratch I still haven't fixed, etc I read last year's certificate but obviously just missed this nugget of info, or forgot it.

    Good news: aside from duff windscreen wipers, the car is tip top now. Although someone doored it... did you guys find me, by any chance

    Plus your putting reminders in your phone to sort out small bits to pass the MOT test when you should be fixing the problems as they come up
    Originally posted by takman
    Well yeah, goes without saying. It's just to remind me to actually look, as much as anything, just in case the last look was weeks beforehand
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