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    • apricity
    • By apricity 31st Jul 18, 2:20 PM
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    Just been fired , Was a childcare Nursery nurse now looking for retail ; CV help?
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    • 31st Jul 18, 2:20 PM
    Just been fired , Was a childcare Nursery nurse now looking for retail ; CV help? 31st Jul 18 at 2:20 PM
    I got fired today from my nursery nurse job, not for anything bad - I just didn't meet their high standards as they were top marks with Ofsted.

    I want to work in retail and have 2 years experience which was 2012-2014.
    All my other jobs have been childcare.

    How should I do my CV?
    Should I write about the skills that I've learned in my childcare job that can help retail or just write all the skills down
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    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 31st Jul 18, 10:24 PM
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    I've not been fired from ANY job. I've always left and with good reason.
    Originally posted by apricity
    Doesn't exactly agree with your choice of thread title - "Just been fired ...."

    So, if you weren't fired/dismissed by your employer how did your employment end?
    • apricity
    • By apricity 31st Jul 18, 10:43 PM
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    Doesn't exactly agree with your choice of thread title - "Just been fired ...."

    So, if you weren't fired/dismissed by your employer how did your employment end?
    Originally posted by LilElvis
    I meant before this happened -
    I did get fired from my current job I do apologise. but not for any before that
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    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 1st Aug 18, 10:41 AM
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    I'm simply going to reflect back what your CV / application is going to say.... you worked in retail whilst a student, since 2014 you have had several different employers, the most recent of which dismissed you, something which your reference is likely to mention. Your explanation, truthful or not, is that this is all somebody else's fault - your employers, your parents.... That is all going to go down like a lead balloon. How are you going to convince somebody that you are reliable?
    • Feyfangirl
    • By Feyfangirl 1st Aug 18, 11:52 AM
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    Childcare is unfortunately a notoriously !!!!!y, rather toxic sector to work in at the moment. If you find yourself with a good team, great. If you happen to not fit in with the "clique" you are screwed. As horrible as an experience this has been for you, chalk it up to experience, that you've gained valuable knowledge to help you in future. (had a similar experience myself recently)


    Did you get on with a senior staff member there? they may be able to give you a personal reference? Or even if you do just go for a general reference... it's better than nothing.


    When writing a cover letter you could cite that whilst you have experience in care and that you enjoyed working within the sector, you were attracted to the positive factors that come with working in retail, such as working in a fast paced environment, working in a person centred/customer facing role, taking on a new challenge... that kind of thing?
    Last edited by Feyfangirl; 01-08-2018 at 11:58 AM.
    "No one can change the past. The only thing we can do is strive to make up for our mistakes. Why must we make up for our mistakes, you ask? Because in so doing...we can find the way back to our path. And once we've found our path we can move on from our past mistakes toward a brighter future"

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    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 1st Aug 18, 12:09 PM
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    I'm simply going to reflect back what your CV / application is going to say.... you worked in retail whilst a student, since 2014 you have had several different employers, the most recent of which dismissed you, something which your reference is likely to mention.
    Originally posted by sangie595
    By "several" you mean "three". Three employers in four years. Doesn't exactly scream "unreliable" these days.

    Employer 1: the full time position at which they had previously done agency work. Employer 2: moved to be closer to granddad. Then there was a transfer of branch to escape family, which means this is still employer 2. Employer 3: "pushed out" by staff so jumped before they were pushed to the one who has just fired her.

    Yes, an extremely picky employer may pass over them, but if that's the case then try another one. There is no reason the OP should have any difficulty finding an entry-level job in retail because they've had three jobs in four years, one of which they got fired from.

    A reference may be a potential problem if the most recent employer wants to be malicious, but equally they may just give a standard "I can confirm apricity worked here between X and Y".
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 1st Aug 18, 12:24 PM
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    I think you have to consider the totality. Three employers in four years is a lot, and potential employers only have their word for the family issues (assuming they are even going too explain them); and the final employer there dismissed. That really is not a a solid work history. Maybe you might think that this all suggests a reliable employee, but many won't. So the OP really should be focusing on how they are going to present this. Are you suggesting they shouldn't bother?
    • apricity
    • By apricity 1st Aug 18, 10:28 PM
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    I wouldn't have left my 2nd job if i could get there easily .
    It was easier for me to move then for him to leave his new job.
    I wasn't going to stay in household where all my life i had been told its my fault for being bullied, I had chairs thrown at me as a child during arguments, blamed for my mum's depression, and basically has been accused on more than 2 occasions of doing drugs and smoking when I have never touched that stuff. And especially when my own dad punched my when I was moving out.

    I own up to me getting fired - I was just stating that Its okay for others to do it but not me.
    me getting fired was my fault.

    I am reliable. I only leave when things won't change and for exceptional circumstancejust unfortuneatly things has gone bad recently. Things were good with my original manager of my last job. As soon as the deputy manager became manager , thats when all hell broke loose. She managed to push 3 people out because 'she didn't like them' and thats what happened to me regardless of me helping her out, having really good relationships with parents and staff, willing to travel to different branches without problem and also being able to do informative observations and accident forms.
    But because I don't share information from outside of the nursery as we discuss stuff in room meetings monthly or because I follow the same system as everyone else does with accident forms, I am a 'very bad practitioner' ? and its just me?

    My mum found it hard to be at home whilst juggling work , looking after the house & my sister and also dealing with what was going on with my grandad. So me working closer to home meant I could help her lessen the stress.

    I'm more than happy to be open about everything.

    It was very cliuqey in my last job.
    the manager would keep the ones she was closest to socially and push out everyone else who she didn't like - a staff member confirmed this
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    • Feyfangirl
    • By Feyfangirl 2nd Aug 18, 4:20 PM
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    I wouldn't have left my 2nd job if i could get there easily .
    It was easier for me to move then for him to leave his new job.
    I wasn't going to stay in household where all my life i had been told its my fault for being bullied, I had chairs thrown at me as a child during arguments, blamed for my mum's depression, and basically has been accused on more than 2 occasions of doing drugs and smoking when I have never touched that stuff. And especially when my own dad punched my when I was moving out.

    I own up to me getting fired - I was just stating that Its okay for others to do it but not me.
    me getting fired was my fault.

    I am reliable. I only leave when things won't change and for exceptional circumstancejust unfortuneatly things has gone bad recently. Things were good with my original manager of my last job. As soon as the deputy manager became manager , thats when all hell broke loose. She managed to push 3 people out because 'she didn't like them' and thats what happened to me regardless of me helping her out, having really good relationships with parents and staff, willing to travel to different branches without problem and also being able to do informative observations and accident forms.
    But because I don't share information from outside of the nursery as we discuss stuff in room meetings monthly or because I follow the same system as everyone else does with accident forms, I am a 'very bad practitioner' ? and its just me?

    My mum found it hard to be at home whilst juggling work , looking after the house & my sister and also dealing with what was going on with my grandad. So me working closer to home meant I could help her lessen the stress.

    I'm more than happy to be open about everything.

    It was very cliuqey in my last job.
    the manager would keep the ones she was closest to socially and push out everyone else who she didn't like - a staff member confirmed this
    Originally posted by apricity

    Well done you for being so strong and for also seeking advice after such experiences. Childcare sadly isn't what it once was, seems some people never get out the playground. Especially if you're a junior staff member and you come under fire from senior staff who have it in for you. I would try seek out the previous manager, especially if she worked with you before for a reference.



    In my last setting I was told off for giving a toddler a hug at the toddler's request. The person who told me off not only hugged a toddler themselves, they then kissed a toddler on the cheek. I raised this with management, and they took her side over mine as I was a junior. Its so frustrating o.O
    "No one can change the past. The only thing we can do is strive to make up for our mistakes. Why must we make up for our mistakes, you ask? Because in so doing...we can find the way back to our path. And once we've found our path we can move on from our past mistakes toward a brighter future"

    Phoenix Wright in Ace Attorney Rise from the Ashes
    • apricity
    • By apricity 2nd Aug 18, 6:44 PM
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    definatly and thank you, for your kind words and experience.

    I spoke to another colluege told her what happened and what i didn't do or did do and she said every single person does that. I'm just taking the brunt of it and getting told off for other peoples mistakes (have more than one occasion)

    but i'm not going to dwell on it.
    i have 2 childcare agencies who are keen to get me full time work / 30+ hrs per week &
    have a meeting with one tomorrow.

    Also for the month of august, each thursday i will be going to a access-to-work-cv/job skills sort of course for free where i learn how to write CVs, put myself forward for jobs and things like that and also discuss what to do and how. it's been fun attending it today.
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    • Feyfangirl
    • By Feyfangirl 2nd Aug 18, 9:28 PM
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    definatly and thank you, for your kind words and experience.

    I spoke to another colluege told her what happened and what i didn't do or did do and she said every single person does that. I'm just taking the brunt of it and getting told off for other peoples mistakes (have more than one occasion)

    but i'm not going to dwell on it.
    i have 2 childcare agencies who are keen to get me full time work / 30+ hrs per week &
    have a meeting with one tomorrow.

    Also for the month of august, each thursday i will be going to a access-to-work-cv/job skills sort of course for free where i learn how to write CVs, put myself forward for jobs and things like that and also discuss what to do and how. it's been fun attending it today.
    Originally posted by apricity

    Good on you! those people who did that to you dont deserve to take anything more from you. There will be a setting that will appreciate you for who you are and the fact is we are there to provide a safe, happy environment for the children and parents, its not meant to be used as a !!!!!ing ground.



    Sadly not many have gotten the memo. Im currently looking for a new role myself so hopefully something good will come up for us both. I saw a careers adviser at my local college who was a huge help creating a skills based cv and looking through what my options would be long term.



    If you ever feel like you need to chat to someone who gets it, feel free to drop me a message
    "No one can change the past. The only thing we can do is strive to make up for our mistakes. Why must we make up for our mistakes, you ask? Because in so doing...we can find the way back to our path. And once we've found our path we can move on from our past mistakes toward a brighter future"

    Phoenix Wright in Ace Attorney Rise from the Ashes
    • GreenTreen123
    • By GreenTreen123 2nd Aug 18, 10:51 PM
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    So happy that the thread has turned most positive!

    Get someone to have a second look at your cv as they will see spelling mistakes etc
    • katsoocam
    • By katsoocam 9th Aug 18, 8:13 PM
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    Any news Apricity? Found something nice yet?x
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    • kay0601
    • By kay0601 10th Aug 18, 7:13 AM
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    Well done for braving those who have been critical on here and for his doing your own. I worked in nursery nursing for over a decade and let myself be treated quite horribly by the various owners and managers I worked under. It sounds like you were set up by cliquey idiots.

    I just wanted to wish you luck with your job hunt. I got out and I work for my local council now. (If things were to dramatically change in the childcare sector starting with decent wages and less paperwork/doing away with the curriculum for excellence wile have up here I'd consider going back but as it stands, no way!)
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 10th Aug 18, 11:59 AM
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    Well done for braving those who have been critical on here and for his doing your own. I worked in nursery nursing for over a decade and let myself be treated quite horribly by the various owners and managers I worked under. It sounds like you were set up by cliquey idiots.

    I just wanted to wish you luck with your job hunt. I got out and I work for my local council now. (If things were to dramatically change in the childcare sector starting with decent wages and less paperwork/doing away with the curriculum for excellence wile have up here I'd consider going back but as it stands, no way!)
    Originally posted by kay0601
    You really need to understand the difference between "critical" and "critique". Nobody has criticised the OP. Some people have pointed out that, in the real world, there are things that need to be explained to potential employers, because in the real world employers have a lot of choice and tend to make assumptions about things like having multiple employers in a short period of time and being sacked! "All of this was the fault of anyone but me" might be true. It is also never going to impress a potential employer. Faced with a poor employment record and a statement that this is all somebody else's fault, and other candidates with no dismissals, steady work records, and positive references - who do you think employers will choose??!

    So it really doesn't matter that it's all true or that it's all explained - it's how it comes across. Employers don't want to hear how rubbish your last employer was, how other people (allegedly) did the same thing and got away with it, or why it was unfair. It may be great gossip, but in the end they will go with the thoughts "where there's smoke..." and "if this person got sacked, how long will it be before I have to sack them too?". Employers are seldom forgiving when they have so many choices in front of them. So how you present things really does make a difference.
    • spadoosh
    • By spadoosh 10th Aug 18, 12:21 PM
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    Sangie in the real world she isnt going to come across someone as thorough as you regarding a retail job.
    Don't be angry!
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 10th Aug 18, 3:05 PM
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    Sangie in the real world she isnt going to come across someone as thorough as you regarding a retail job.
    Originally posted by spadoosh
    Maybe not. But also maybe. Seriously... Someone is giving up a career in childcare after being sacked, and it's not their fault because the employers standards are too high. Do you seriously believe that many employers are going to either believe that or be impressed by it? It isn't about whether it's true. It's about what people believe. And especially these days, I know what a lot of people will believe!
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