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    • hucker
    • By hucker 22nd Jul 18, 9:02 PM
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    Con artists - "Approved Garages"
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    • 22nd Jul 18, 9:02 PM
    Con artists - "Approved Garages" 22nd Jul 18 at 9:02 PM
    I recently had the misfortune to use the "Farmers Autocare" garage in Alloa. When I tried to leave a negative review on "Approved Garages", it was rejected. Why? They only allow positive reviews, and it seems the garage is a "paid member" of the website. When I accused them of bribery they got shirty with me. When I informed them of the mostly bad reviews on Google about Farmers Autocare, they ignored me, and when I told them they refused to fit my own parts, they gave me some rubbish about an EU ruling about using approved parts (which are 4 times the price by the way). Seems like "approved garages" is an excuse to overcharge customers.
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    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 7th Aug 18, 9:00 PM
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    AndyMc.....
    https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/

    They do, it's just not that widely reported as it doesn't stir up much division in the masses. "FORGEIN GROOMING GANGS TARGET BRITISH KIDS" gets the huckers of this world much more riled up than "most sex offenders in Britain are British".

    Also by Muslim gangs I assume you're referring to the Rotherham grooming cases? The perpetrators were British-Pakistani and, while they may have been nominally Muslim, are hardly an indictment of Islam. Saying Muslim gangs in those cases would be a bit like saying Christian gangs when referring to the Catholic Church scandals.
    Originally posted by welfayre

    I wasn't referring to Rotherham but as you mention it, there's Telford, Luton to name some more.

    The common theme is Pakistani Muslims.
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    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 7th Aug 18, 9:54 PM
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    I wasn't referring to Rotherham but as you mention it, there's Telford, Luton to name some more.

    The common theme is Pakistani Muslims.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    No, the common theme is controlling perverts.

    The fact that the vast (white) majority of them tend to act either individually or in loose "sharing" groups at a distance rather than in local gangs (think internet porn rings) doesn't make it any better or worse either way.

    You tend not to hear "an Anglo Saxon kiddy porn ring was smashed today" - you just hear about the ring being smashed - because we accept that race has nothing to do with it except where it's "another race".
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 7th Aug 18, 10:07 PM
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    AndyMc.....
    No, the common theme is controlling perverts.

    The fact that the vast (white) majority of them tend to act either individually or in loose "sharing" groups at a distance rather than in local gangs (think internet porn rings) doesn't make it any better or worse either way.

    You tend not to hear "an Anglo Saxon kiddy porn ring was smashed today" - you just hear about the ring being smashed - because we accept that race has nothing to do with it except where it's "another race".
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    The common theme is it's not talked about and we all know why.
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    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 7th Aug 18, 10:07 PM
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    I don't have any insurance at all for anything (except 3rd party car insurance to keep the pigs at bay). Insurance is a gamble, I don't gamble, I don't play the lottery either.
    Originally posted by hucker

    You've already said you don't agree with taxation for things like the NHS and don't do insurance so I take it you have sufficient resources to pay for major medical interventions, so that you can be true to your beliefs? You do seem to gamble though, not wearing a seat belt..


    Not that anyone on here to the left of Ghengis Khan would want you to wear one mind..
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 7th Aug 18, 10:24 PM
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    The common theme is it's not talked about and we all know why.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    Yes, it's not talked about because, if you actually look at the statistics rather than the Daily Mail, it really isn't a factor.

    Operation catherdral (probably the best known example) led to 8 arrests in this country, only one (Ahmed Ali) even sounds a little bit "foreign". Dismantling the Wonderland Club internationally led to over 100 arrests, almost all of them Caucasian men.

    Similar patterns apply to most big operations, so why is no-one saying "you can see the common theme is clear, white men create and distribute kiddie porn"?


    eta: And what about this gang of clearly (not) Pakistani Muslims?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/26/cornwall-!!!!!phile-ring-men-jailed

    Or this (individual but a HUGE number of victims) Cornish postman?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/sep/24/!!!!!phile-postman-jailed-500-children

    You can see the pattern - why is no-one up in arms about the "common theme" of Cornishmen?
    Last edited by Joe Horner; 07-08-2018 at 10:41 PM.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 7th Aug 18, 10:42 PM
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    AndyMc.....
    Yes, it's not talked about because, if you actually look at the statistics rather than the Daily Mail, it really isn't a factor.

    Operation catherdral (probably the best known example) led to 8 arrests in this country, only one (Ahmed Ali) even sounds a little bit "foreign". Dismantling the Wonderland Club internationally led to over 100 arrests, almost all of them Caucasian men.

    Similar patterns apply to most big operations, so why is no-one saying "you can see the common theme is clear, white men create and distribute kiddie porn"?


    eta: And what about this gang of clearly (not) Pakistani Muslims?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/26/cornwall-!!!!!phile-ring-men-jailed

    Or this (individual but a HUGE number of victims) Cornish postman?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/sep/24/!!!!!phile-postman-jailed-500-children

    You can see the pattern - why is no-one up in arms about the "common theme" of Cornishmen?
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    I see the pattern, your links don't work.
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    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 7th Aug 18, 10:53 PM
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    I see the pattern, your links don't work.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    It seems that MSE software filters out part of the word #~!0phile which has messed up the links.

    And, yes, coming from Devon, I can see the "Cornish pattern" too. There were 3 generations of one family jailed back in the late 90s for "keeping it in the family" - to much completely inappropriate hilarity for us across the river - but it doesn't make national outrage headlines like others do, which is kinda my point


    eta: Of course, to be completely fair we should include Norfolk as well:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/28/norwich-!!!!!phile-ring-marie-black-jailed-life

    Marie, Michael, Jason and Carol - how very Pakistani!

    Or this gang - not a Muslim among them (they even abused a new born baby ffs!):

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
    Last edited by Joe Horner; 07-08-2018 at 11:01 PM.
    • wgl2014
    • By wgl2014 7th Aug 18, 11:27 PM
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    This seems to have wandered away from talking about overpriced air filters!
    • mollycat
    • By mollycat 8th Aug 18, 10:14 AM
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    My attention started to wander when he lectured us on the arrangements between ASDA and the farmer when buying milk.

    Troll thread that was entertaining till OP went too far.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 8th Aug 18, 11:07 AM
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    AndyMc.....
    It seems that MSE software filters out part of the word #~!0phile which has messed up the links.

    And, yes, coming from Devon, I can see the "Cornish pattern" too. There were 3 generations of one family jailed back in the late 90s for "keeping it in the family" - to much completely inappropriate hilarity for us across the river - but it doesn't make national outrage headlines like others do, which is kinda my point


    eta: Of course, to be completely fair we should include Norfolk as well:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/28/norwich-!!!!!phile-ring-marie-black-jailed-life

    Marie, Michael, Jason and Carol - how very Pakistani!

    Or this gang - not a Muslim among them (they even abused a new born baby ffs!):

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    But you accept that Rotherham, Telford and Luton are.
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    • Nasqueron
    • By Nasqueron 8th Aug 18, 11:57 AM
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    Why doesn't anyone acknowledge the abuse by Muslim gangs?
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....

    What exactly do you mean by that?


    The press is full of the stories
    The people doing it are caught, identified and jailed



    But you accept that Rotherham, Telford and Luton are.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....

    These are talked about, you know of them as they're in the press, QED you're wrong, they clearly are talked about. If you mean why don't we lock up all Muslims or why don't we assume all abusers are Muslims - it's because they aren't


    We know for a fact there has been widespread abuse by Catholic church members, for decades the abusers were sheltered or moved around to prevent arrest. Do we say all Catholics are abusers or assume any abuse is by Catholics?



    A study in Australia looked at all abuse by perpetrator, only 11.1% of victims were attacked by a stranger (the sort of gang abuse you are talking about). Almost 3x as many abusers (30.2%) were the child's father or step-father, 16.3% by a family friend, 15.6% an acquaintance or neighbour, 15.3% another person known to the child - 77.4% of abusers were not strangers.


    Focus your attention on high profile gang abusers and the vast majority of victims will not be helped.



    https://aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi429
    Last edited by Nasqueron; 08-08-2018 at 12:00 PM.
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 8th Aug 18, 12:57 PM
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    But you accept that Rotherham, Telford and Luton are.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    Yes, those examples happen to be groups of Asians. But that does NOT make it an "Asian problem" or a "Muslim problem", as my many examples of non-Asian, non-Muslim groups doing similar shows. But the press didn't see fit to mention, let alone shout about, the religion or ethicity of the offenders unles theyre Johnny Foreigners. Then people who don't like Johnny Foreigner seize on that to justify their xenophobia.

    It is a pervert problem and the ONLY common defining characteristic is "pervert". Not race, not religion, not even gender. Just pervert.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 8th Aug 18, 1:01 PM
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    AndyMc.....
    Yes, those examples happen to be groups of Asians. But that does NOT make it an "Asian problem" or a "Muslim problem", as my many examples of non-Asian, non-Muslim groups doing similar shows. But the press didn't see fit to mention, let alone shout about, the religion or ethicity of the offenders unles theyre Johnny Foreigners. Then people who don't like Johnny Foreigner seize on that to justify their xenophobia.

    It is a pervert problem and the ONLY common defining characteristic is "pervert". Not race, not religion, not even gender. Just pervert.
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    These are British Asian not Johnny Foreigners.
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    • jimjames
    • By jimjames 8th Aug 18, 1:40 PM
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    I'm a UK citizen, not an EU citizen. Besides, we've left, so all their laws can get lost.
    Originally posted by hucker
    We haven't left. And hopefully we won't.

    BTW the laws are our laws, written into UK law by parliament.

    I've just hand fed you a direct link to the exact wording of the law on the official website of UK law. So you'll believe "your search results" over the official record of what the law says?

    Dear God!!!
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    Unfortunately these people have a vote but it also seems typical for someone so adamant about Brexit who doesn't believe in facts.
    Last edited by jimjames; 08-08-2018 at 1:44 PM.
    Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 8th Aug 18, 2:21 PM
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    We haven't left. And hopefully we won't.

    BTW the laws are our laws, written into UK law by parliament.



    Unfortunately these people have a vote but it also seems typical for someone so adamant about Brexit who doesn't believe in facts.
    Originally posted by jimjames
    Especially as Hucker is one of those Knuckle draggers that thought we left the day after the vote. D'oh!
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 8th Aug 18, 3:50 PM
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    We haven't left. And hopefully we won't.

    BTW the laws are our laws, written into UK law by parliament.



    Unfortunately these people have a vote but it also seems typical for someone so adamant about Brexit who doesn't believe in facts.
    Originally posted by jimjames
    We will leave or else how would we remain and save face?
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    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 8th Aug 18, 3:51 PM
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    AndyMc.....
    These are British Asian not Johnny Foreigners.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    I spoke too soon, the Court of Appeal have ruled three from Rochdale will no longer be British.
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    • hucker
    • By hucker 9th Aug 18, 5:20 PM
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    Yes, we hear you. Except that it's not. You've already accepted that your garage is marking up the labour cost with other costs, remember?!
    Originally posted by almillar
    No, it charges a fixed labour cost per hour, a cost I know about in advance. Garages that make up the amount after the work is done are thieving cowboys.

    You've no idea. They've very likely bought in the cake and MARKED IT UP MASSIVELY, the very thing you're complaining about in a garage! Wait till you find out the real cost of the beer in the keg that someone just pulled you a pint of!
    Originally posted by almillar
    I brew my own so the government can't steal 90% of the cost in taxes after having no input whatsoever into making it.
    • hucker
    • By hucker 9th Aug 18, 5:24 PM
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    No. You have it wrong. Both wings redistribute wealth but in different directions.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    No, the left wing take money from taxes and redistribute it to the people who don't do so much work. Mr Smith earns £40K and has no kids. Mr Jones earns £20K and has 3 kids. Who pays for the education of Mr Jones's kids? It's Mr Smith, despite not having any of his own.

    You talk about extremist religion and your views on sexual abuse as if your views aren't offensively extremist. Thank God, Allah, Buddha, whatever you are one of a kind.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    Anyone who believes in god is a !!!!ing idiot. Do you believe in santa claus too? You're truly pathetic.

    And every area in Scotland voted to remain, so you are in the minority in more ways than one.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    Remain in what? The UK or the EU?
    • hucker
    • By hucker 9th Aug 18, 5:26 PM
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    Yeah your kids leave at 16 and sign on like their dad.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    I have a Uni degree. But a lot of kids I went to school with left at 16 and are now binmen, Asda checkout assistants, etc. What's the point in taking more money from taxpayers to force these kids to get educated beyond their capabilities?
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