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    • hucker
    • By hucker 22nd Jul 18, 9:02 PM
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    Con artists - "Approved Garages"
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    • 22nd Jul 18, 9:02 PM
    Con artists - "Approved Garages" 22nd Jul 18 at 9:02 PM
    I recently had the misfortune to use the "Farmers Autocare" garage in Alloa. When I tried to leave a negative review on "Approved Garages", it was rejected. Why? They only allow positive reviews, and it seems the garage is a "paid member" of the website. When I accused them of bribery they got shirty with me. When I informed them of the mostly bad reviews on Google about Farmers Autocare, they ignored me, and when I told them they refused to fit my own parts, they gave me some rubbish about an EU ruling about using approved parts (which are 4 times the price by the way). Seems like "approved garages" is an excuse to overcharge customers.
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    • mollycat
    • By mollycat 4th Aug 18, 10:40 AM
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    The only person I could kill would be someone else in the same car, they are free to ask me to wear one and I can accept that or get out of the car. But nobody outside of the car I'm in can be affected so they have no right to tell me to wear one.



    It's fine if it doesn't affect strangers. Why wouldn't it be?
    Originally posted by hucker
    My bold.

    Hucker responding to Mercdriver stating that amongst other things, sexual abuse is "fine".

    I'm going to call it a day reading this idiot's views on the world.

    If he's a troll it's not funny any more, if he's serious then god help those unlucky enough to have him in their lives.

    Just my opinion guys.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 4th Aug 18, 10:46 AM
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    Everybody calls the police pigs. Nobody wants to be controlled by a government they never voted for.

    Now please explain to me how I can be at school and be getting an MOT. DOH! You really are thick.
    Originally posted by hucker
    You can stay on at school until you're 18 and ride a moped at 16, motorbike or car at 17. Simples.
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    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 4th Aug 18, 11:31 AM
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    The only person I could kill would be someone else in the same car, they are free to ask me to wear one and I can accept that or get out of the car. But nobody outside of the car I'm in can be affected so they have no right to tell me to wear one.



    It's fine if it doesn't affect strangers. Why wouldn't it be?
    Originally posted by hucker
    Are you Gary Glitter? Since when is sexual abuse fine if it doesn't affect strangers?
    • hucker
    • By hucker 5th Aug 18, 1:45 PM
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    Wow, you really do have no idea, do you?

    I'm not about to give you a lesson in business practices because it'd do no good.

    But note that I was talking billable hours, then including the non billable ones in my "take home" because, if I was an employee, all those hours would count.

    In any given day I might spend an hour on the phone to customers, 2 or 3 hours dealing with in-person enquiries in the shop, another hour sorting out post in & out, half an hour on general admin and ordering parts, another half hour general tidying and shop presentation stuff. That might leave me with a couple of hours of actual "earning" time at the bench by the end of the day.

    As it's my own business, no-one pays me directly for those hours and that reduces my effective hourly rate. But I still make a profit and a living out of it & have survived the past 7 years from start-up without running up debts, so can't be doing too much wrong.

    Oh, and I also include a healthy mark-up on the batteries, straps and parts that I fit. Because that's all part of business.
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    I say again, my local garage charges me 40 for the hours THAT HE WORKS ON MY CAR. If you can't make a profit doing the same, you have no clue as to how to run a business. And what the hell are you doing on a money saving forum if you're a business owner? This forum is for CUSTOMERS trying to SAVE MONEY, not business owners justifying their RIP OFF prices.
    • hucker
    • By hucker 5th Aug 18, 1:47 PM
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    I guess you've never heard of being a law abiding citizen respecting others around him. You do realise a cash in hand means not paying tax and then other people go without don't you? If that person makes short cuts like that how do you know they have the expertise to do the job properly?
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    Tax pays for what the government wants to spend it on, not what the citizens want. Tax is theft and everyone should avoid it as much as possible.

    Mark up is not theft. It's called making a profit. The person that makes a cake in a coffee shop marks up the cost of making the cake. Does that make it theft? No. Grow up and stop shirking your responsibilities.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    The profit in a garage should come from the labour charge, not hidden money added onto parts. Cowboys don't get my return custom.

    A coffee shop is not marking up the cost of the cake, they're adding on the cost of them baking that cake. It's a LABOUR CHARGE.
    • hucker
    • By hucker 5th Aug 18, 1:49 PM
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    I don't own a garage. Nor do I know anyone personally that does. You don't understand the concept of running a business.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    Funny how my local garage doesn't add markup and makes a healthy profit. Some companies are not thieving cowboys, they're the garages that continue to get return custom.
    • hucker
    • By hucker 5th Aug 18, 1:52 PM
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    Do you understand the concept of democracy at all? Besides didn't you say you voted Tory? What party is in power at the moment, with the help of the DUP? Clue it's not the Lib Dems or Labour.

    Seems to me you need to move to a country with a dictatorship.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    We don't have a democracy. We vote for one of a small handful of fairly similar parties, then get no say in what happens for the next 5 years. A true democracy would have us vote on all major decisions individually.

    I only voted Tory because BNP and UKIP didn't have a candidate in my area this time round.
    • hucker
    • By hucker 5th Aug 18, 1:54 PM
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    You can stay on at school until you're 18 and ride a moped at 16, motorbike or car at 17. Simples.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    Have you seen the insurance cost for a 17 year old?!?

    Anyway, anybody who stays on past the age of 16 is clearly intelligent. The dumbasses leave at 16.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 5th Aug 18, 1:58 PM
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    Have you seen the insurance cost for a 17 year old?!?

    Anyway, anybody who stays on past the age of 16 is clearly intelligent. The dumbasses leave at 16.
    Originally posted by hucker
    They can't unless they get an apprenticeship.


    School leaving age in now 18 but I guess you left at 16.
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    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 5th Aug 18, 2:20 PM
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    We don't have a democracy. We vote for one of a small handful of fairly similar parties, then get no say in what happens for the next 5 years. A true democracy would have us vote on all major decisions individually.

    I only voted Tory because BNP and UKIP didn't have a candidate in my area this time round.
    Originally posted by hucker
    Are you a bit of a far right racist then?
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    • oldagetraveller
    • By oldagetraveller 5th Aug 18, 3:22 PM
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    "State why you believe sex is different than say a game of chess."
    A game of chess is far more satisfying.
    Did you hear about the politician who had a backside transplant? It rejected him.
    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 5th Aug 18, 3:43 PM
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    I only voted Tory because BNP and UKIP didn't have a candidate in my area this time round.
    Originally posted by hucker
    I've been reading this thread with morbid fascination. I've never met such an unpleasant poster on here. I thought perhaps you were just trying to give the Tories a bad name with your nastiness and stupidity, but now I see you really are that nasty. (edit, and stupid)

    Incidentally, how much does your medical insurance cost, because I fear one day you're going to need it.
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 5th Aug 18, 4:14 PM
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    I say again, my local garage charges me 40 for the hours THAT HE WORKS ON MY CAR. If you can't make a profit doing the same, you have no clue as to how to run a business. And what the hell are you doing on a money saving forum if you're a business owner? This forum is for CUSTOMERS trying to SAVE MONEY, not business owners justifying their RIP OFF prices.
    Originally posted by hucker
    You really do have no idea, do you?

    For a start, it's accepted that a garage bills directly for ALL time - including diagnosis. That's not the case in my business.

    Diagnosing, say, an automatic chronograph might take a couple of hours for an obscure fault - which isn't paid for unless the owner accepts the quote. Similarly, it's accepted for garages to increase quotes if further problems show up during the work - again, that's not generally accepted in my business.

    In watch repair it's normal that once a quote is given it's honoured. That inevitably means that some jobs use more time (and parts) than expected. It's in the nature of the work and that time and those parts need to be paid for in the great scheme of things.

    Which means that a garage can work far more "billable hours" in a week than I can. If I could bill a solid 8 hours each day I could reduce my target rate considerably, but I can't because other things need to be covered that all take time.

    As for not being on MSE because I'm a business owner - just do one.
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 5th Aug 18, 4:54 PM
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    You really do have no idea, do you?

    For a start, it's accepted that a garage bills directly for ALL time - including diagnosis. That's not the case in my business.

    Diagnosing, say, an automatic chronograph might take a couple of hours for an obscure fault - which isn't paid for unless the owner accepts the quote. Similarly, it's accepted for garages to increase quotes if further problems show up during the work - again, that's not generally accepted in my business.

    In watch repair it's normal that once a quote is given it's honoured. That inevitably means that some jobs use more time (and parts) than expected. It's in the nature of the work and that time and those parts need to be paid for in the great scheme of things.

    Which means that a garage can work far more "billable hours" in a week than I can. If I could bill a solid 8 hours each day I could reduce my target rate considerably, but I can't because other things need to be covered that all take time.

    As for not being on MSE because I'm a business owner - just do one.
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    Ah come on Joe, you know those ultrasonic cleaners (and the fluid! ) are dirt cheap.
    To say nothing of odds and ends like Bergeon screwdrivers etc. etc. etc.
    And I thought fully synth car engine oil was expensive until I bought some Moebius watch oil. . .
    I've had a little play at watch cleaning and repair. Anyone who does it professionally has my utmost respect.
    Seventy five quid an hour is cheap for those skills.
    "Luck happens where hard work meets opportunity"
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 5th Aug 18, 5:57 PM
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    And I thought fully synth car engine oil was expensive until I bought some Moebius watch oil. . .
    Originally posted by Jackmydad
    What, so 8700 a litre for Moebius 9010 isn't cheap?

    Multiplied by the 3 to 6 different lubricants any given movement might need it does add up - even bought in small quantities some go out of date before you use them and have to be ditched.

    Or the 39 different sizes of battery, some of which you might use 1 from a box of 10 before they're out of date - and some might even cost more individually than your (standardised) battery charge so you effectively give them away at a loss.

    But costs like that don't need to be paid for apparently
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 5th Aug 18, 6:21 PM
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    State why you believe sex is different than say a game of chess. Would you be upset if someone forced you to play chess (which is just another form of enjoyment). You should get back in your time machine and go back to the Victorian ages.
    Originally posted by hucker
    Are you seriously suggesting that sexual abuse is equivalent to cheating at chess?

    Go and play in the middle of the M6 at rush hour.
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 5th Aug 18, 6:26 PM
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    What, so 8700 a litre for Moebius 9010 isn't cheap?

    Multiplied by the 3 to 6 different lubricants any given movement might need it does add up - even bought in small quantities some go out of date before you use them and have to be ditched.

    Or the 39 different sizes of battery, some of which you might use 1 from a box of 10 before they're out of date - and some might even cost more individually than your (standardised) battery charge so you effectively give them away at a loss.

    But costs like that don't need to be paid for apparently
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    The stuff I bought was the "cheap" natural oil.
    The 8000.
    6100 a litre.
    I did only buy 1 ml though!

    But all (half) joking aside, it goes to show how many unseen costs there are.
    And that's with any business.
    Anyone who runs a business and doesn't make a profit on materials is going to be not running a business before long.
    Last edited by Jackmydad; 05-08-2018 at 6:28 PM.
    "Luck happens where hard work meets opportunity"
    • wgl2014
    • By wgl2014 5th Aug 18, 9:37 PM
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    To be fair part of what the OP says is understandable, if you go to a garage you pay the hourly rate for their mechanics time and the upkeep of their specialist facilities. If parts are needed that they don't keep in stock there will also be a cost involved in them identifying and ordering them but it shouldn't end up with a 10 part costing 60. I would rather pay a realistic hourly rate and (garage willing) source and supply my own parts, I would add that generally if there is an option to buy an uprated or higher quality part I am happy to spend a bit more so may not be looking at this from a typical viewpoint.

    As to the BNP reference and other bull that has been written I hope the OP is actually trolling and not genuinely as deluded as they like to make out.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 6th Aug 18, 12:52 AM
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    To be fair part of what the OP says is understandable, if you go to a garage you pay the hourly rate for their mechanics time and the upkeep of their specialist facilities. If parts are needed that they don't keep in stock there will also be a cost involved in them identifying and ordering them but it shouldn't end up with a 10 part costing 60. I would rather pay a realistic hourly rate and (garage willing) source and supply my own parts, I would add that generally if there is an option to buy an uprated or higher quality part I am happy to spend a bit more so may not be looking at this from a typical viewpoint.

    As to the BNP reference and other bull that has been written I hope the OP is actually trolling and not genuinely as deluded as they like to make out.
    Originally posted by wgl2014
    Much is assumed about what is charged by suppliers. If you are Joe Bloggs paying at point of sale you might be charged one price. But as a garage paying by invoice you might be charged a different price entirely. Suppliers often charge different prices to different people at different rates based on the assumed value for the end provider.
    • almillar
    • By almillar 6th Aug 18, 1:36 PM
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    Markup is THEFT.
    Yes, we hear you. Except that it's not. You've already accepted that your garage is marking up the labour cost with other costs, remember?!

    This forum is for CUSTOMERS trying to SAVE MONEY, not business owners justifying their RIP OFF prices.
    Don't post again until you've had a wee think about this. See if you can work out how a business owner, can also be a customer...

    I say again, my local garage charges me 40 for the hours THAT HE WORKS ON MY CAR
    And rent, electric, wages etc, you keep forgetting.

    Tax pays for what the government wants to spend it on, not what the citizens want. Tax is theft and everyone should avoid it as much as possible.
    Who paid for the road you're driving that lovely car on?

    A coffee shop is not marking up the cost of the cake, they're adding on the cost of them baking that cake. It's a LABOUR CHARGE.
    You've no idea. They've very likely bought in the cake and MARKED IT UP MASSIVELY, the very thing you're complaining about in a garage! Wait till you find out the real cost of the beer in the keg that someone just pulled you a pint of!
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