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    • DandelionBlue
    • By DandelionBlue 13th Jul 18, 9:47 PM
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    Everyone got a payrise except me
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    • 13th Jul 18, 9:47 PM
    Everyone got a payrise except me 13th Jul 18 at 9:47 PM
    I'm feeling really upset right and was hoping for other people's opinion on this.

    In my field of work you study five years and then get a job as an assistant. You then study part time while you work. Once you graduate you are promoted by default and get a pay-rise.

    I qualified in November and my office dragged it's feet on the promotion. They finally did so a month ago and put me on the same wage my colleagues got when they graduated two years ago

    Well today the office handed out letters given everyone a payrise of 3% except me. I feel really upset about this. Since technically if you consider inflation I am now getting less then people got when they graduated two years ago.

    Unfortunately I am tied in for another year before I can leave. Otherwise I need to pay back 3000£ training fee.

    They also delayed my training by not putting me on the type of project I needed for my case study. Yet the men who came in as assistants at the same time as me had no such issues. I've been asking for a project for 6 years!

    And I found out three years ago they were paying me less than everyone else in the same position as me. A female college who was higher ranking than me, thought my corner.

    My annual reviews have nothing but praise for me.

    Also I work as a blogger and social media influencer on weekends. My work recently started on Instagram and found out I have a lot of followers. They now want my help to build up the office account. This is not part of my role. I already get paid less than others on the same level as me. And I invested my own time and money in courses to learn social media. I think this is really cheeky of them.

    Am I right to feel upset about this?
    Last edited by DandelionBlue; 13-07-2018 at 10:25 PM.
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    • marliepanda
    • By marliepanda 13th Jul 18, 9:53 PM
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    • 13th Jul 18, 9:53 PM
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    • 13th Jul 18, 9:53 PM
    Firstly this isn!!!8217;t a wedding forum so you!!!8217;re on the right place (unless you posted elsewhere initially and it!!!8217;s been moved)

    Secondly, it sounds like your colleagues have been qualified longer so are more experienced?
    • DandelionBlue
    • By DandelionBlue 13th Jul 18, 9:57 PM
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    • 13th Jul 18, 9:57 PM
    Yes. I posted this elsewhere before. And did a silly copy and paste.

    And no. People that are less qualified than me also got a pay-rise.
    • Marcon
    • By Marcon 13th Jul 18, 10:03 PM
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    Am I right to feel upset about this?
    Originally posted by DandelionBlue
    It's not a question of right or wrong; it's how you deal with it. Instead of moaning on a public forum (what could anyone say that would make you feel better? Nothing), talk to your employer.
    • marliepanda
    • By marliepanda 13th Jul 18, 10:03 PM
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    • 13th Jul 18, 10:03 PM
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    • 13th Jul 18, 10:03 PM
    Is there anyone who qualified to your level in November getting a pay rise.

    I!!!8217;m assuming those less qualified than you get less money than you.
    • keepcalmandstayoutofdebt
    • By keepcalmandstayoutofdebt 13th Jul 18, 10:05 PM
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    • 13th Jul 18, 10:05 PM
    As the older people were hugging and kissing me goodbye, I realised and was mindful of a whole department who didn't want to lose their jobs were also going today. They were allowed to leave earlier then me as not their choice to go.

    Get up quick by all means but pick battles wisely.
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    • DandelionBlue
    • By DandelionBlue 13th Jul 18, 10:08 PM
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    • 13th Jul 18, 10:08 PM
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    • 13th Jul 18, 10:08 PM
    It's not a question of right or wrong; it's how you deal with it. Instead of moaning on a public forum (what could anyone say that would make you feel better? Nothing), talk to your employer.
    Originally posted by Marcon

    Any suggestions on how to approach this with my employer. Should I simply ask them why they left me out of the general payrise to match inflation
    • DandelionBlue
    • By DandelionBlue 13th Jul 18, 10:09 PM
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    • 13th Jul 18, 10:09 PM
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    • 13th Jul 18, 10:09 PM
    Is there anyone who qualified to your level in November getting a pay rise.

    I!!!8217;m assuming those less qualified than you get less money than you.
    Originally posted by marliepanda

    Yes they get paid less. But everyone got a payrise to match inflation. I didn't. So technical that's a pay-cut
    • DandelionBlue
    • By DandelionBlue 13th Jul 18, 10:12 PM
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    • 13th Jul 18, 10:12 PM
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    • 13th Jul 18, 10:12 PM
    As the older people were hugging and kissing me goodbye, I realised and was mindful of a whole department who didn't want to lose their jobs were also going today. They were allowed to leave earlier then me as not their choice to go.

    Get up quick by all means but pick battles wisely.
    Originally posted by keepcalmandstayoutofdebt

    Are you suggesting the best I can do is leave in a year. And that I should not raise this with my employers
    • Timpu
    • By Timpu 13th Jul 18, 10:17 PM
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    I'm feeling really upset right and was hoping for other people's opinion on this.

    I am an architect. The way it works in our field is that you study five years and then get a job as an architectural assistant. You then study part time while you work and graduate as an Architect. At which point you are promoted by default and get a payrise.

    I qualified in November and my office dragged it's feet on the promotion. They finally did so a month ago and put me on the same wage my colleagues got when they graduated two years ago

    Well today the office handed out letters given everyone a payrise of 3% except me. I feel really upset about this. Since technically if you consider inflation I am now getting less then people got two years ago.

    unfortunately I am tied in for another year before I can leave. Otherwise I need to pay back 3000£ training fee.

    But I am out of there as soon as I hit that deadline. If I hadn't already made that decision, I certainly would have today.

    They also delayed my training as a full architect by not putting me on the type of project I needed for my case study. Yet the men who came in as architectural assistants at the same as me had no such issues. I've been asking for 6 years!

    And I found out three years ago they were paying me less than everyone else in the same position as me. A female collegeue who was higher ranking than me, thought my corner. And when I got a PAY Rise back then they public stated they had put everyone in the same level.
    Yet my annual reviews have nothing but praise for me.

    Also I work as a blogger and social media influencer on weekends. My work recently started on Instagram and found out I have a lot of followers. They now want my help to build up the office account. This is not part of my role. I already get paid less than others on the same level as me. And I invested my own time and money in courses to learn social media. I think this is really cheeky of them.

    Am I right to feel upset about this?
    Originally posted by DandelionBlue
    You have a few options:
    a) Do nothing
    b) Raise with your line manager
    c) Leave the firm

    a) I assume you are not interested in, given how upset you are

    b) Can you go to your line manager to argue your case? I don't mean demand but ask the difficult, direct questions. Ask why you're not receiving a pay rise given your appraisals have been positive? Why are you not getting a 3% pay rise? Why are you being treated differently to others qualified to the same level? Thinking about it, has there been an oversight? Seems odd they've handed out letters in front of everyone and excluded you.

    c) What salary are you likely to get elsewhere? Would there be an increase to what you get now and would it likely be more than £3k? If more, then get that CV out there so you have more options.

    With the blogging and social media request, I would see this as an opportunity. It'll look fab on your CV. They have asked you for a reason, presumably as you have skills that others don't (well, in house anyway)? It's a skill they value so use it to negotiate a pay rise to the same level as your colleagues.

    I'd be interested to know how this goes OP, please do update us in time.
    • marliepanda
    • By marliepanda 13th Jul 18, 10:25 PM
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    Yes they get paid less. But everyone got a payrise to match inflation. I didn't. So technical that's a pay-cut
    Originally posted by DandelionBlue
    You can try speaking to them. It may be a simple oversight as you had a recent ruse. Simply ask why you didnít get one and if they mention your recent one say that one actually was one due 8 months ago.
    • DandelionBlue
    • By DandelionBlue 13th Jul 18, 10:40 PM
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    You have a few options:
    a) Do nothing
    b) Raise with your line manager
    c) Leave the firm

    a) I assume you are not interested in, given how upset you are

    b) Can you go to your line manager to argue your case? I don't mean demand but ask the difficult, direct questions. Ask why you're not receiving a pay rise given your appraisals have been positive? Why are you not getting a 3% pay rise? Why are you being treated differently to others qualified to the same level? Thinking about it, has there been an oversight? Seems odd they've handed out letters in front of everyone and excluded you.

    c) What salary are you likely to get elsewhere? Would there be an increase to what you get now and would it likely be more than £3k? If more, then get that CV out there so you have more options.

    With the blogging and social media request, I would see this as an opportunity. It'll look fab on your CV. They have asked you for a reason, presumably as you have skills that others don't (well, in house anyway)? It's a skill they value so use it to negotiate a pay rise to the same level as your colleagues.

    I'd be interested to know how this goes OP, please do update us in time.
    Originally posted by Timpu
    Thank you for the advice.

    I think I am going to need to bite the bullet and raise this with my employers. At least ask them question, as you suggest. I am not very good at this. In fact I have never actually asked for a pay-rise directly. So I partly have myself to blame.

    I really don't think it was an oversight. I am pretty convinced it is to do with my recent automatic promotion.

    I have looked around and yes I could get paid more elsewhere. A friend who recently left the office, is getting 3000£ more per annum. So I could probably make the money back within a year. However we are hoping to buy a house next year and getting married this year. So the loss of that money would be painful in the short term. We are also considering moving in a year, because we cannot afford the house prices in the city. And I really wouldn't want to start a new job, just to leave it after a year.

    I believe a lot of companies employ social media consultants. But this isn't very common in my sector. And yes it might be an advantage on my CV. Although my role normally never crosses over with social media. I am the only person in my practice who had these skills. But I have been asked to advise my company simply for the reason that I should want the best for it. I spent the last three years educating myself on the topic of social media because I realise that it can be an essential skill these days.

    I think I need to consider what to respond if they approach me again to set-up a meeting about their social media accounts. In their minds there is no question that I would gladly help them. I need to find a way to tell them that I know my own value, without sounding petty.

    I will update this thread.
    • DandelionBlue
    • By DandelionBlue 13th Jul 18, 10:43 PM
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    You can try speaking to them. It may be a simple oversight as you had a recent ruse. Simply ask why you didnít get one and if they mention your recent one say that one actually was one due 8 months ago.
    Originally posted by marliepanda

    You are right. I think I need to have a discussion with my employer about this. I am pretty sure it wasn't an oversight and that in their eyes they were being fair, since they recently gave me a pay-rise. But the effect that it has had on me, is that I now feel very undervalued.
    • DevilsAdvocate1
    • By DevilsAdvocate1 13th Jul 18, 11:35 PM
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    I think its probably because you had a rise a month ago. Though you feel this should have been higher wages have been squeezed over the last few years.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 14th Jul 18, 7:16 AM
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    With a year to go till the handcuffs are off time to start being more assertive.

    if you have an issue with the current remuneration then you need to raise the issues and set the ground work for them to fix them before you leave.

    Consulting on the social media presence is an opportunity to assert on their current attitude of you should just do it, push back if they start making promises as you can point out they have failed to keep previous ones so can't be trusted(more diplomatic that straight telling them they lie).
    • ACG
    • By ACG 14th Jul 18, 8:31 AM
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    IF you had a pay rise in November I am not overly surprised they are not giving you another pay rise yet. Not many people get 2 pay rises in a year.

    The past issues are past issues and should have been dealt with at the time.

    As for the social media, you could maybe use that to force a pay rise or ask them to sub contract the work to you and you will invoice them and do it out of hours.
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    • Camster
    • By Camster 14th Jul 18, 9:10 AM
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    Have you checked your employment terms and conditions, to see if this situation is covered there?

    One of my previous employers had annual increments, but had a condition that you had to be in any promoted post for a minimum of six months to receive it.

    Your situation might be due to something similar.
    • Takeaway_Addict
    • By Takeaway_Addict 14th Jul 18, 11:15 AM
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    Yes they get paid less. But everyone got a payrise to match inflation. I didn't. So technical that's a pay-cut
    Originally posted by DandelionBlue
    techincally....its not
    Don't trust a forum for advice. Get proper paid advice. Any advice given should always be checked
    • beckysheffield
    • By beckysheffield 14th Jul 18, 4:38 PM
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    techincally....its not
    Originally posted by Takeaway_Addict
    If your wages don!!!8217;t rise with inflation you are earning less. Companies aren!!!8217;t expected to raise pay with rates of inflation but if they don!!!8217;t you are worse of but not a pay cut.
    • xapprenticex
    • By xapprenticex 14th Jul 18, 5:04 PM
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    .... Yet the men who came .....
    Originally posted by DandelionBlue



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