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    • pink boots
    • By pink boots 12th Jul 18, 5:19 PM
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    Can someone give me some advice
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    • 12th Jul 18, 5:19 PM
    Can someone give me some advice 12th Jul 18 at 5:19 PM
    Because of the new MOT tests, my faithful little very old car will need to be scrapped. I am loathed to part with her but after having her for 8 years, I have really got my monies worth several times over. Apart from the usual replacements of tyres, light bulbs and so forth. The biggest outlay I have had is a new Cat. 5 years ago and she has sailed through her MOT 4 years in a row. The problem is, I have absolutely no idea about how to go about scrapping a car. Also their is five months car tax left and I know that you can now get a refund but again do not know how to go about that. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you.
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    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 12th Jul 18, 5:22 PM
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    Phone up one of your local car breakers or scrap yard and ask the if the want it. Tax will be refunded automatically or you can sorn it, you've got a couple of weeks to sort the tax as you'd only get refunded from August.
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 12th Jul 18, 5:27 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 5:27 PM
    Because of the new MOT tests, my faithful little very old car will need to be scrapped.
    ...
    she has sailed through her MOT 4 years in a row.
    Originally posted by pink boots
    So what's the change in the post-May test that you're so worried about?


    There really aren't that many additional things to be tested.



    The problem is, I have absolutely no idea about how to go about scrapping a car.
    Phone scrap yard. Scrap yard collect car. Sign paperwork. Wave goodbye to car.


    Also their is five months car tax left and I know that you can now get a refund but again do not know how to go about that.
    When the paperwork gets sent to DVLA, it's automatic.
    • angrycrow
    • By angrycrow 12th Jul 18, 5:28 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 5:28 PM
    Before you declare it dead what part of the new test do you think it will fail on. For around £35 test fee may be worth taking a chance.

    My mother in law just did the same with her 4x4 expecting it to fail due to the engine light being on but it passed. Engine light problem on her car cannot be resolved and does not effect emissions or running so it passed. This was a 2004 registered vehicle.
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 12th Jul 18, 5:32 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 5:32 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 5:32 PM
    So what's the change in the post-May test that you're so worried about?


    There really aren't that many additional things to be tested.
    Originally posted by AdrianC

    Possibly EML that's been ignored for the past few tests because it still passed emissions on the day?



    Phone scrap yard. Scrap yard collect car. Sign paperwork. Wave goodbye to car.
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    Alternatively (if it still has some MOT): Phone scrap yard, drive car to scrap yard, get a better price, get someone to give you a lift home.
    • mrmechanic
    • By mrmechanic 12th Jul 18, 10:16 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 10:16 PM

    My mother in law just did the same with her 4x4 expecting it to fail due to the engine light being on but it passed. Engine light problem on her car cannot be resolved and does not effect emissions or running so it passed. This was a 2004 registered vehicle.
    Originally posted by angrycrow

    Which is clearly a fail whether it passes the emission test or not.
    A Mil illuminated or inoperative fails.There is no middle ground, clear fail.
    Station issuing a pass would be in serious trouble if DVSA picked up on this although nothing to do with your mother in law.
    If it isn't broken, don't try to fix it.
    • reddwarf2002
    • By reddwarf2002 12th Jul 18, 10:45 PM
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    Which is clearly a fail whether it passes the emission test or not.
    A Mil illuminated or inoperative fails.There is no middle ground, clear fail.
    Station issuing a pass would be in serious trouble if DVSA picked up on this although nothing to do with your mother in law.
    Originally posted by mrmechanic

    Yep, definitely a fail. MOT tester must have turned a blind eye to it or does not know the new law.
    • reddwarf2002
    • By reddwarf2002 12th Jul 18, 10:56 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 10:56 PM
    Having said the above, this article doesn't mention the engine management light which has got me confused now:


    https://conversation.which.co.uk/motoring/new-mot-rules-warning-lights-car-safety/


    (I'm sure it's wrong though)
    Last edited by reddwarf2002; 12-07-2018 at 11:07 PM.
    • consumers_revenge
    • By consumers_revenge 12th Jul 18, 11:06 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:06 PM
    As above, what has/will it fail on? Bit of outlay and you have a car you know and can use for another year?
    • mrmechanic
    • By mrmechanic 12th Jul 18, 11:18 PM
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    Straight from the testing manual.

    Engine malfunction indicator lamp
    Turn on the ignition and check that the engine malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) illuminates and then goes off. On some vehicles it will be necessary to start the engine before the MIL goes off.

    Defect Category
    Emissions levels exceed the manufacturer’s specified limits
    Major
    Emissions levels exceed default limits
    Major
    Lambda coefficient outside the default limits or the range specified by the manufacturer
    Major
    Emissions test unable to be completed
    Major
    Engine is idling clearly above its normal idle speed
    Major
    Exhaust emits dense blue or clearly visible black smoke for a continuous period of 5 seconds at idle
    Major
    Exhaust emits excessive dense blue or clearly visible black smoke during acceleration which would obscure the view of other road users
    Major
    Engine MIL inoperative or indicating a malfunction
    Major
    If it isn't broken, don't try to fix it.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 13th Jul 18, 8:15 AM
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    Engine light problem on her car cannot be resolved
    Originally posted by angrycrow
    That's a cop-out. Of course it can. It might prove to be more expensive than she wants to spend, but it can be resolved.



    and does not effect emissions or running so it passed. This was a 2004 registered vehicle.
    There is no age limit on the fail for the engine management light indicating a fault.
    8.2h
    https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/class3457/Section-8-Nuisance.html#section_8.2


    Engine malfunction indicator lamp
    Turn on the ignition and check that the engine malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) illuminates and then goes off. On some vehicles it will be necessary to start the engine before the MIL goes off.



    h. Engine MIL inoperative or indicating a malfunction - Major
    • GunJack
    • By GunJack 13th Jul 18, 8:27 AM
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    If it just needs tyres (buy part-worn, half the price or less), wipers (peanuts) and bulbs (peanuts) apart from the cat, it's probably worthwhile just getting it fixed...could do another 4-5 years

    edit - so you had a new cat already, should last much longer than 5 yrs.....why on earth do you think it needs scrapping?? As someone posted earlier, if you haven't already, whack it through a test and see how good/bad it actually is...
    Last edited by GunJack; 13-07-2018 at 8:30 AM.
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    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 13th Jul 18, 8:46 AM
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    You might get more for it if you sell it on ebay with no MoT for spares or repair.
    • foxy-stoat
    • By foxy-stoat 13th Jul 18, 9:01 AM
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    How about finding out why the EML is on and fixing the fault?
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 13th Jul 18, 9:03 AM
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    How about finding out why the EML is on and fixing the fault?
    Originally posted by foxy-stoat
    Oooh, steady. That's a bit edgy...
    • pink boots
    • By pink boots 13th Jul 18, 9:28 AM
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    As above, what has/will it fail on? Bit of outlay and you have a car you know and can use for another year?
    Originally posted by consumers_revenge
    Thank you for your answer. My car is an X plate so made in Dec. 2000. So very old and only worth £200. It's getting to the stage that repairs will cost more than the car if it fails. I phone the garage that does her Mot to book her in. I was told service dept busy and will be called back. They didn't. Phoned the next day and got the same response. That is not like them. They know my car and probably know that it would not pass and cost too much in repairs. It might also be they were trying to give me a hint.
    • LandyAndy
    • By LandyAndy 13th Jul 18, 9:35 AM
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    Thank you for your answer. My car is an X plate so made in Dec. 2000. So very old and only worth £200. It's getting to the stage that repairs will cost more than the car if it fails. I phone the garage that does her Mot to book her in. I was told service dept busy and will be called back. They didn't. Phoned the next day and got the same response. That is not like them. They know my car and probably know that it would not pass and cost too much in repairs. It might also be they were trying to give me a hint.
    Originally posted by pink boots
    Don't confuse the value of the car with what is a sensible amount to spend on repairs.

    It may only be worth £200 but it costs you £0 in depreciation. £400 to get it through an MoT would still be cheap a year's motoring compared with what you could lose on a newer vehicle.
    Last edited by LandyAndy; 13-07-2018 at 9:53 AM.
    • pink boots
    • By pink boots 13th Jul 18, 9:43 AM
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    As above, what has/will it fail on? Bit of outlay and you have a car you know and can use for another year?
    Originally posted by consumers_revenge
    Straight from the testing manual.

    Engine malfunction indicator lamp
    Turn on the ignition and check that the engine malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) illuminates and then goes off. On some vehicles it will be necessary to start the engine before the MIL goes off.

    Defect Category
    Emissions levels exceed the manufacturer’s specified limits
    Major
    Emissions levels exceed default limits
    Major
    Lambda coefficient outside the default limits or the range specified by the manufacturer
    Major
    Emissions test unable to be completed
    Major
    Engine is idling clearly above its normal idle speed
    Major
    Exhaust emits dense blue or clearly visible black smoke for a continuous period of 5 seconds at idle
    Major
    Exhaust emits excessive dense blue or clearly visible black smoke during acceleration which would obscure the view of other road users
    Major
    Engine MIL inoperative or indicating a malfunction
    Major
    Originally posted by mrmechanic
    Mm. Well there has not been any dense blue or black smoke smoke at all. The MIL light goes off when car is started. With the cat replaced about 5 years ago, emissions test should be fine. The problem is the car is an X plate and only worth £200. As I said to another member, the garaged that I always take her to for the MOT have more or less fobbed me off when I tried to book it in.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 13th Jul 18, 9:44 AM
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    Quite, LandyAndy.

    You bin it, and get £50. You put that £50 with the £400 it would have cost for a ticket. It costs you £50 in insurance etc charges to change car.
    You have £400 to spend on a replacement.

    Is that going to get you something markedly newer/tidier than what you have now? But you know the history of the one you have now...

    You've had this debate with yourself for the last few years - what's different about this year? A bit of scaremongering about how the MOT's got a lot harder? (It hasn't).
    • stator
    • By stator 13th Jul 18, 9:52 AM
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    Mm. Well there has not been any dense blue or black smoke smoke at all. The MIL light goes off when car is started. With the cat replaced about 5 years ago, emissions test should be fine. The problem is the car is an X plate and only worth £200. As I said to another member, the garaged that I always take her to for the MOT have more or less fobbed me off when I tried to book it in.
    Originally posted by pink boots
    Take it to another garage. If the replacement car turns out to be a lemon you will regret throwing away the X reg car.

    I have a Y reg car, I have no plans on scrapping it unless it actually fails the MOT
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