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    • rudenotto
    • By rudenotto 12th Jul 18, 11:41 AM
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    NCP appeal rejected, what next?
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:41 AM
    NCP appeal rejected, what next? 12th Jul 18 at 11:41 AM
    I would be grateful if somebody could help me with the next stage in my appeal. I have spent at least an hour reading and searching the forums and there is so much info now that it's confusing. If somebody could paste a template I could use for my POPLA appeal, I would be extremely grateful. Please do NOT refer me to the NEWBIES post as I have read and it's too confusing. I am asking for assistance here, so please assist me.


    Details:-
    11/6/18 - Parked in NCP next to my gym. I was entitled to park there for free for 2 hours (and kept within this), but stupidly forgot to enter my reg in the gym kiosk/computer, which is the correct process. I have an email from the gym manager confirming my attendance in the gym either side of the time I entered the car park which was seen by their cameras.
    27/6/18 - appealed online NCP website
    10/7/18 - NCP rejected, stating as I didn't validate my parking in the gym, they cannot cancel the PCN


    I have no intention of paying any money at any time and I would like to follow the process at the right stages and intend to appeal to POPLA now.


    Hope to hear from somebody with some assistance, many thanks.
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 12th Jul 18, 11:48 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:48 AM
    Tell the gym to cancel the PCN or you will cancel your membership. Follow up on your threat if it isn't cancelled.

    You will find a number of template appeal points in post 3 of the NEWBIES that you can copy and paste. It isn't complicated, you just need time to go through it. It isn't a quick read.
    I doubt you will get any other advice other than to use the NEWBIES.
    It's a shame you revealed the identity of the driver in your initial appeal. That cannot now be helped, but you have thrown away a valuable appeal point.
    Last edited by Fruitcake; 12-07-2018 at 11:51 AM.
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    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 12th Jul 18, 11:58 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:58 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:58 AM
    The FAQ you find too confusing will become clear if you take more time to understand the game you are caught up in. You do it a disservice by dissing it which other newbies reading your thread should ignore!!


    Sadly you came here too late to stop you making a fundamental error, but now concentrate on the one post there you have been directed to


    Take it in chunks and reread it till you are no longer confused.


    Then study the links to POPLA appeal near templates and construct your own.


    Post it here for comments before sending it
    • rudenotto
    • By rudenotto 12th Jul 18, 12:01 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:01 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:01 PM
    Ok thanks guys. I get the impression I should use a template which is very long and which is likely the make the reader give up and accept my appeal. Is that right?
    • rudenotto
    • By rudenotto 12th Jul 18, 12:02 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:02 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:02 PM
    By the way, I don't believe the gym have the ability to cancel the PCN, from speaking to them. Surely NCP sent me the ticket and it's not controlled by the gym?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 12th Jul 18, 12:02 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:02 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:02 PM
    Ok thanks guys. I get the impression I should use a template which is very long and which is likely the make the reader give up and accept my appeal. Is that right?
    Originally posted by rudenotto

    No.


    Read the FAQ as advised till you understand the process. It takes a lot more than 3 minutes!
    Last edited by Quentin; 12-07-2018 at 12:05 PM.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 12th Jul 18, 12:04 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:04 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:04 PM
    By the way, I don't believe the gym have the ability to cancel the PCN, from speaking to them. Surely NCP sent me the ticket and it's not controlled by the gym?
    Originally posted by rudenotto
    All explained in the FAQ!!


    Escalate your complaint till someone takes notice at the gym
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 12th Jul 18, 12:07 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:07 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:07 PM
    By the way, I don't believe the gym have the ability to cancel the PCN, from speaking to them. Surely NCP sent me the ticket and it's not controlled by the gym?
    Originally posted by rudenotto
    You won't know until you ask. If enough people cancel membership because of parking scammers, the gym will want to take this up with the landowner, so it's still worth complaining and finding another gym.

    Leave negative feedback on social media to warn others about this scam, and please complain to your MP. It really is the only way this will ever get stopped.
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 12th Jul 18, 12:09 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:09 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:09 PM
    Ok thanks guys. I get the impression I should use a template which is very long and which is likely the make the reader give up and accept my appeal. Is that right?
    Originally posted by rudenotto
    You use ALL the template appeal points available to you. You only need the assessor to agree with one point for you to win.

    Post your draft here for checking before you submit it.
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    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 12th Jul 18, 12:13 PM
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    I have spent at least an hour reading and searching the forums and there is so much info now that it's confusing

    Spend another 50 and you will be either more or less confused, but as you probably twigged in the first few minutes, they are trying to scam you.

    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Jul 18, 3:55 PM
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    By the way, I don't believe the gym have the ability to cancel the PCN, from speaking to them. Surely NCP sent me the ticket and it's not controlled by the gym?
    Originally posted by rudenotto
    Course they do. Who do you think contracted NCP there?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • rudenotto
    • By rudenotto 16th Jul 18, 4:57 PM
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    Thanks to everyone who replied so far. Very helpful. I am just trying to find an appeal template for a POPLA appeal which is relevant to my situation, which is that I was entitled to park at the NCP carpark because I was in the gym next door, but I simply forgot to enter my registration in the gym computer and this is why I got the "invoice".

    Could somebody briefly advise me what the main crux of my appeal could be. I am struggling to find an appropriate template and a lot of the other points, like signage etc don't seem relevant to my case.

    Please help.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 16th Jul 18, 5:06 PM
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    See #9 above.

    And keep on at the gym to get this cancelled
    • rudenotto
    • By rudenotto 16th Jul 18, 5:14 PM
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    Thanks Quentin, but I am no longer a member of the gym. I have an email from the gym manager, confirming my attendance at the gym that day, thus confirming my eligibility to park there that day for free. She told me to appeal. I don't believe they have the knowledge/experience to be able to get the PCN cancelled. They certainly didn't give me that impression.

    I am hoping that somebody can give me a main argument about my eligibility to park there for free, which I can lodge in my POPLA appeal.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 16th Jul 18, 5:33 PM
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    That won't win the case, though, because the contravention is not putting your VRN in, and that can't be retrospectively overcome at POPLA by showing authority to park. Especially if you forgot (DON'T say that at appeal!). Your version WILL NOT WIN.

    The template stuff you see in #3 of the NEWBIES thread, might win, that's why we do it like that and not your way, not the story of what happened.

    I would start your POPLA appeal points, by putting NCP to strict proof of the existence of the keypad inside the Gym, not saying you are a regular, nor that you knew it was there! Put them to prove the keypad exists, as point #1.

    Then the template stuff. Show us.
    Please do NOT refer me to the NEWBIES post as I have read and it's too confusing.
    Sorry but do you want to win, or lose?
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 16-07-2018 at 5:35 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • waamo
    • By waamo 16th Jul 18, 5:51 PM
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    Your story is now largely irrelevant. You want to look at recent POPLA appeals and talk about things like poor signage, no landowner authority, none compliance with POFA and other usual appeal points.

    Then you can throw your story in. Make them prove the keypad exists. Make them show it's clear what you have to do etc.

    The Newbies thread has links to winning appeals. Much of it will be cutting and pasting.
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