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    • Johnnyboywdz
    • By Johnnyboywdz 10th Jul 18, 9:57 AM
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    Car released from garage without authority
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    • 10th Jul 18, 9:57 AM
    Car released from garage without authority 10th Jul 18 at 9:57 AM
    Good morning - New on here, and my first thread


    I have a Landrover Discovery 4, 2012 54k miles. Broke down in France. Got in touch with English transport guy via a web site in France. He agreed to transport to Landrover dealer in UK for xx amount - nothing signed, and stayed at our place for few days..got on well


    Delivered car to main dealer. It has been there for 10 weeks while I have been wrangling with Landrover over warranties..contribuitions etc... Dealer had no problem with holding vehicle there for me


    Meanwhile, in France wrote off my other car when lorry pulled across me on motorway forcing me into barriers, and cleared off. Anyway, was a write off, got paid out, and told they would collect it.


    8 weeks later no collection. Phoned insurance for update. Told they had to arrange for it to come back to UK. At the time the transport guy who recovered my Landrover to UK was staying for few days as was collecting cars near us. He had a spare place on his transporter, so I suggested to insurance that maybe he could recover it back to UK. They called him and all arranged and off he went, after we had agreed that he would use their payment to cover my cost...so we were quits




    Something didn't ring right with this transport guy..gut feeling, so 2 weeks ago I phoned Landrover dealer and instructed them to only deal with myself, and specifically not to deal with the transport guy, or his company


    Imagine my shock, when I phoned the Landrover dealer yesterday to inform them that I had arranged for a friend to collect my car from them, and was informed that someone had collected it last week!!


    I asked who had signed for it, and they told me it was the guy from the transport company, who I had specifically told them not to deal with, and they had not even contacted me for authorisation! No receipt signed or anything. They said “well he had the correct paperwork” which was a photo of the front page of the log book I had sent him for when he initially transported it to UK


    Told them that they were liable and that it was down to them to recover my car. They would check with the manager, who was off yesterday, and come back to me – No call back so far




    So….as far as I am concerned, the dealer is liable, due to negligence, on the following points;


    • They released the vehicle without my authorisation, and without any correct paperwork
    • I specifically informed them not to deal with anyone except myself, and in particular not the transport guy or his company – (I have voice recording of the conversation)


    I have logged this with my local police station, and have a crime reference number, as my vehicle has been stolen, taken without my permission, but they think it might be a civil matter??? They are forwarding the report to the county where the vehicle was taken from, and they will decide if civil case or not


    Am correct in my thinking, and how should I progress ?


    Thanks in advance
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    • Ant555
    • By Ant555 10th Jul 18, 10:03 AM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 10:03 AM
    Where is the car now - have you rang the 'transport company' or even the driver that stayed at your place?
    • Nobbie1967
    • By Nobbie1967 10th Jul 18, 10:08 AM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 10:08 AM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 10:08 AM
    Why did you get involved in recovering your written off car to the UK when you had been paid out for it?

    So you now think the transport guy has nicked your car? The same guy that you have been having stay at your house! Have you not got any contact details or addresses for them?

    No wonder the police don't want to to touch it, it sounds like there is something you're not telling us? Maybe this is just a private arrangement with the transport guy that has gone wrong and he's holding the vehicle pending payment?
    • Johnnyboywdz
    • By Johnnyboywdz 10th Jul 18, 10:22 AM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 10:22 AM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 10:22 AM
    I have the details of the transport guy, and have passed them to the police


    I got involved in the recovery of the written off car, as it was sitting on my property for 8 weeks, without any update from my insurance company, after they had initially informed me that someone would contact me in a few days


    I have not spoken to the transport guy, as want to follow correct channels - don't know where the car is now
    • Nobbie1967
    • By Nobbie1967 10th Jul 18, 10:52 AM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 10:52 AM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 10:52 AM
    I have the details of the transport guy, and have passed them to the police


    I got involved in the recovery of the written off car, as it was sitting on my property for 8 weeks, without any update from my insurance company, after they had initially informed me that someone would contact me in a few days


    I have not spoken to the transport guy, as want to follow correct channels - don't know where the car is now
    Originally posted by Johnnyboywdz
    Thanks for the clarification, but isn't the obvious first step to contact the person who you think has your property and ask for it back?

    My neighbour at the allotment had borrowed my rotavator, but rather than calling the police, I asked for it back. All resolved now
    • Johnnyboywdz
    • By Johnnyboywdz 10th Jul 18, 1:30 PM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 1:30 PM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 1:30 PM
    He hasn't borrowed a tool, he has stolen a £30k car, without even a word


    Spoken to dealer again, and guy I spoke to agreed it is total incompetence and that he had put my instructions on my file, which they didn't look at when they released the car!
    Manager is off today - training day at Land Rover!!! Will phone me tomorrow
    • atrixblue.-MFR-.
    • By atrixblue.-MFR-. 10th Jul 18, 1:52 PM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 1:52 PM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 1:52 PM
    He hasn't borrowed a tool, he has stolen a £30k car, without even a word


    Spoken to dealer again, and guy I spoke to agreed it is total incompetence and that he had put my instructions on my file, which they didn't look at when they released the car!
    Manager is off today - training day at Land Rover!!! Will phone me tomorrow
    Originally posted by Johnnyboywdz
    SOD the manager and awaiting a call get the dealership principal if not him a director if not him a CEO if not him tell them to get ready to be massively sued and papers contacted, tell the phone goone to get someone NOW to deal with this ASAP tell them you not waiting days for the manager, get dealership principle and their liability insurance.
    R.I.P Coco my boy 2/11/2018.
    • Johnnyboywdz
    • By Johnnyboywdz 10th Jul 18, 2:24 PM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 2:24 PM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 2:24 PM
    Right - I will get on it! Thanks
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 10th Jul 18, 2:38 PM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 2:38 PM
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    • 10th Jul 18, 2:38 PM
    You live in France, but your cars are registered and insured in the UK, and the LR has a UK-only used car warranty on it? Do you live in France full-time, or split your time between the two, and just happen to be particularly unlucky with cars while there?



    If anybody has stolen your LR, it is not the garage. It is the delivery guy. The garage may or may not have been negligent in allowing him to take it, but that doesn't affect the fact it was not stolen by them. Have you informed your insurer of the theft?
    • Johnnyboywdz
    • By Johnnyboywdz 10th Jul 18, 2:42 PM
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    No, only part time in France - just been unlucky with cars over there....even my Luton van's engine blew just outside Paris last year


    I'm not saying the dealership have stolen the car, the transport guy has stolen it. I'm saying they have been incompetent and negligent in letting him take it
    Haven't told my insurance yet, as don't see why I should have to claim through them, giving them a reason to put my insurance up even more, when if anything it should be handled by the dealerships insurance, as they appear to be liable
    • wgl2014
    • By wgl2014 10th Jul 18, 3:01 PM
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    I don't understand why you haven't contacted the person you believe has your car?
    I would also suggest that by not telling your insurance the car has been stolen (regardless of if you claim from them) it could cause issues down the line. Consider what would happen if someone else driving your car had an accident your insurer ends up liable for, your insurer finds out you reported the car as stolen to Police and didn't let them know........ could mean a big bill coming your way.
    • k3lvc
    • By k3lvc 10th Jul 18, 3:02 PM
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    More holes in this story than a Swiss cheese

    Have you paid this 'transport guy' ?

    Why do you think he's suddenly taken the risk of going back to a Main Dealer to get your car when he'd already had it on his transporter and could have spirited it away on the journey from France to UK ?

    What's the real story ?
    • stator
    • By stator 10th Jul 18, 3:16 PM
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    Why did he stay at your house for a few days, twice?

    I can understand staying overnight if he was coming a long way to collect a car, not sure why you put him up , are you running a B&B?
    Changing the world, one sarcastic comment at a time.
    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 10th Jul 18, 3:37 PM
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    Have you tried to contact the transport guy at all to see what's going on? Is there some sort of mix-up?
    • Nobbie1967
    • By Nobbie1967 10th Jul 18, 3:48 PM
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    He hasn't borrowed a tool, he has stolen a £30k car, without even a word


    Spoken to dealer again, and guy I spoke to agreed it is total incompetence and that he had put my instructions on my file, which they didn't look at when they released the car!
    Manager is off today - training day at Land Rover!!! Will phone me tomorrow
    Originally posted by Johnnyboywdz
    By the sounds of it, he has taken it without your consent, but that is different to stealing it. Are you in any sort of financial dispute with the car transporter man that might prompt him to hold the car against settlement? It seems a bizarre thing to steal a car when the owner knows who's got it.

    If this is truly a straightforward theft, then most, if not all insurance companys would require you to report it to them irrespective of whether you make a claim.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 10th Jul 18, 4:02 PM
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    I have not spoken to the transport guy, as want to follow correct channels - don't know where the car is now
    Originally posted by Johnnyboywdz
    The "correct channels" in the first instance is to speak to the "transport guy" and find out what's happening.

    The whole story tbh smells a bit iffy to me.
    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 10th Jul 18, 4:26 PM
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    It seems a bizarre thing to steal a car when the owner knows who's got it.
    Originally posted by Nobbie1967

    And when it's not actually been fixed yet (I assume). Has he misunderstood an instruction from you to collect the car and deliver it somewhere else?

    But then suddenly dropping the guy because of a gut feeling seems a bit odd as well.


    This would be much easier to deal with if you asked the guy rather than avoiding him. Makes it sound like there's more going on (like you owing him money).


    If you're regarding it as stolen - you need to have a crime reference and tell your insurance.

    If you don't think it's stolen - you need to ask where it is and arrange to get it returned.


    But this all sounds dodgy.
    • arcon5
    • By arcon5 10th Jul 18, 6:11 PM
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    It's not been stolen
    You instructed him to take it.


    You didn't think to contact him and tell him you don't need him now?
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 10th Jul 18, 7:23 PM
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    after we had agreed that he would use their payment to cover my cost...so we were quits


    Surely the sum he received for transporting the car to the UK was his payment from the insurance company for the job. How would that cover a sum that you owed him?

    Why did you owe him money?
    Have you not paid him anything for transporting your Landrover back to UK?
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 10th Jul 18, 7:39 PM
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    At best we're not getting the full true story here, at worst it's complete fantasy. I think the OP needs to be more upfront here and explain exactly what's transpired.
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