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    • mantic70
    • By mantic70 9th Jul 18, 4:06 PM
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    Constructive Dismissal
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    • 9th Jul 18, 4:06 PM
    Constructive Dismissal 9th Jul 18 at 4:06 PM
    Hi All
    My first ever post, looking for some guidance if possible.
    A colleague of mine is leaving the company, he has been working 2 months notice and i was asked to shadow him for 2 months to learn the role and take it on when he goes.
    I was asked to apply for the role internally which I done, I noticed that it was advertised externally too, one of the external applicants had their telephone interview the day before me which I found strange. I was told that my telephone interview was successful and would progress to a face to face interview, I was then told 3 days before my face to face interview that the external applicant was successfull and no need to attend interview. wow that cant be right can it?
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    • Brynsam
    • By Brynsam 9th Jul 18, 10:18 PM
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    Thanks for that
    No I have not quit...yet
    I thought the following procedure had to follow points

    advertise internally and if no suitable candidate then advertise externally
    Complete the interview process before informing candidates.
    maybe I'm just old fashioned
    Originally posted by mantic70
    Certainly shows no tact on the part of your employer and I can see why you're miffed.

    What you are describing is how things often used to be done - but the march of equal opportunities meant employers who wanted to claim they were equal ops (it had a different meaning before all the anti-discrimination legislation) could no longer favour current employees and had no choice but to advertise externally as well.

    If this is going to go on rankling - which I think it will, from the tone of your posts - for goodness sake talk to your employer as calmly as you can, not along the lines of not fair/you said/grrrr but by asking for feedback. Hopefully that will give you a chance to convey how you feel and also get an idea of whether you have any future with this employer.
    • stator
    • By stator 10th Jul 18, 12:48 AM
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    We get a lot of people on here complaining they wasted time and energy on interviews they had no chance of getting.

    Now youíre saying companies should just waste everyoneís time even when they have no hope of the job so thereís no hard feelings...

    Iíd rather someone be straight with me than string me along.
    Originally posted by marliepanda
    Well, they weren't straight, if you read the OP it seems they lied a few times.

    But this was an internal candidate we are talking about. It's not as if someone is travelling across the country, spending money on travel tickets and doing loads of research into a company they already work for!
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    • marliepanda
    • By marliepanda 10th Jul 18, 7:49 AM
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    Well, they weren't straight, if you read the OP it seems they lied a few times.

    But this was an internal candidate we are talking about. It's not as if someone is travelling across the country, spending money on travel tickets and doing loads of research into a company they already work for!
    Originally posted by stator
    I donít see any lies. Just misplaced hope. Iím sure the company would have liked the OP to take it on but clearly the two month trial wasnít successful
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 10th Jul 18, 8:44 AM
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    I donít see any lies. Just misplaced hope. Iím sure the company would have liked the OP to take it on but clearly the two month trial wasnít successful
    Originally posted by marliepanda
    I'd agree. It might have been kinder to tell them that before any interviews, but they didn't. That's what leads me to think there was an element of the employer thinking they'd appoint the OP if they had no other choice. To be honest, that's seldom a good strategy. Things can go wrong very quickly, and it all ends in tears. People should appoint when they are convinced they have the right person - even that is a dodgy call! If you aren't convinced, then it's lunacy appointing. But I see employers appointing poorly so often, and in the end it causes heartache for everyone.
    • Ozzuk
    • By Ozzuk 10th Jul 18, 8:48 AM
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    I've interviewed in scenarios where I'm pretty certain who is getting the job (but I don't tell them that) but sometimes you get a candidate that just blows the others out of the water.

    Now it can sometimes be that they are just really good at interviews, but if you structure your interviews properly you can limit that factor.

    So I wouldn't take this as completely negative, maybe this candidate it just better qualified than you. You are after all learning the role, I assume you'd need to be backfilled so maybe they saw a candidate that could slot in with less impact than moving you up and backfilling. Sucks, but nothing wrong in that.

    Ask them for in depth feedback, as an internal candidate they should be willing to do that, phrase it in a positive way, ask them and your boss what you need to do and how they can support you to secure such a role in the future.
    • stator
    • By stator 10th Jul 18, 10:53 AM
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    I donít see any lies. Just misplaced hope. Iím sure the company would have liked the OP to take it on but clearly the two month trial wasnít successful
    Originally posted by marliepanda
    They told him he was getting a face to face interview. He didn't.
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    • jobbingmusician
    • By jobbingmusician 10th Jul 18, 12:31 PM
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    OP, I would be circumspect and not do anything for a while. If it really rankles, a grievance against whoever told you you would be interviewed, as I agree that they should have gone ahead with this as part of your development.


    But it *could* be that they have just appointed someone who is good at interviews. If this person falls flat on their face once they start doing the job, the employer still has you in the wings. As long as you haven't burnt bridges in the mean time......
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