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    • restless6
    • By restless6 8th Jul 18, 8:22 PM
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    Using nails and screws in a rented property
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    Using nails and screws in a rented property 8th Jul 18 at 8:22 PM
    Hi
    I have just moved in to a rented house and my contract says I can put things on the walls with nails but nothing sticky .
    Would u think this includes screws too or just nails ?

    May sound daft but I have never rented before ?
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    • HampshireH
    • By HampshireH 8th Jul 18, 8:34 PM
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    Ask for permission from your LL.

    When renting I put up 2 pictures and a mirror. We got permission 1st
    • tacpot12
    • By tacpot12 8th Jul 18, 8:35 PM
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    I think you will be ok to use screws, providing you use nails where possible, and only use screws for bigger items. Your should drill any holes very carefully, paying attention to the safe areas defined for electrical cables. You really need to use a stud finder/metal detector/voltage detector before you drill, to make sure you avoid drilling into any cables or pipes. You will be liable for the cost of repairing any damage either from nails or screws so be really careful about where you fix into the walls.

    At the end of the tenancy, you should remove any nails, screws and wall plugs and fill the holes with Polyfilla or similar hard filler.
    • restless6
    • By restless6 8th Jul 18, 8:47 PM
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    Thanks for the advice
    • need an answer
    • By need an answer 8th Jul 18, 8:53 PM
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    What does it say in your agreement about making good the holes when you leave?

    An important fact to consider and if no mention is made in the agreement then I would perhaps get the LL's permission before hammering into the walls.

    Don't want you to be led into a false sense of security where the agreement says you can use nails and some pages later it tells you you will be charged to make good any holes.
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    • studentguy
    • By studentguy 8th Jul 18, 10:32 PM
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    Personally, as long as you put it right, or are prepared to lose some of your deposit at the end of the tenancy for the LL to put it right, that should be okay. That's what I've done when renting anyway
    Despite my name, I'm not a student any more
    • deannatrois
    • By deannatrois 9th Jul 18, 1:23 AM
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    I don't use premixed polyfilla type stuff, I tend to buy boxes of plaster filler. You add water til its very thick and apply. Its easy to sand down rather than pollyfiller types which seem to harden til its like concrete.
    • fishpond
    • By fishpond 9th Jul 18, 2:43 AM
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    Ask the landlord in writing, get a reply in writing.
    I am a LandLord, so there!
    • sal_III
    • By sal_III 9th Jul 18, 9:32 AM
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    Ask the landlord in writing, get a reply in writing.
    Originally posted by fishpond
    And if the LL refuses? One could argue that they are preventing you from "quietly enjoying" the property...

    I was used to ask for permission, until once the LL refused, for a brand new unfurnished property, when I asked to be allowed to screw the top brackets of free standing wardrobe and chests of drawers to the wall. So they don't fall over my children. Asked her to reconsider, after all the contract demanded be to ask for permission and such permission shouldn't be unreasonable withheld, only to be told in no uncertain terms "Absolutely no screws or holes to be put in the walls"

    Afterwards I adopted the principle - it's easier to ask for forgiveness, than for permission. Screw and nail whatever I want, then just fix the holes before checkout, no one noticed them to date.
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    • By need an answer 9th Jul 18, 10:04 AM
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    Afterwards I adopted the principle - it's easier to ask for forgiveness, than for permission. Screw and nail whatever I want, then just fix the holes before checkout, no one noticed them to date.
    Originally posted by sal_III
    but presumably if it is noted on check out that you have not left the walls in the same condition you are happy for a deposit deduction for repair to be considered?

    Out of interest has that meant that you have filled the holes and colour matched the paint,which in my opinion as a LL would be perfectly acceptable.
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    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 9th Jul 18, 10:11 AM
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    What is it you want to hang on the walls? I didn't use screws, pins or nails to fix things on the walls of places I rented just because I couldn't be bothered dealing with the ballache it would cause when getting my deposit back at the end of the tenancy.
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    • By need an answer 9th Jul 18, 10:18 AM
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    I've always found that the sticky strips are very good and actually a lot less intrusive than nails.

    Its strange how one LL will prefer something and its totally different to the next in order to pad out a tenancy agreement.

    My offspring is just about to move out of a student private LL housing and a condition of the tenancy is that the oven is not to be cleaned with oven pride.A bonkers suggestion me thinks as its what I actually recommend to anyone who asks.


    But a rule is there for the making I suppose
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    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 9th Jul 18, 10:32 AM
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    I've always found that the sticky strips are very good and actually a lot less intrusive than nails.

    Its strange how one LL will prefer something and its totally different to the next in order to pad out a tenancy agreement.

    My offspring is just about to move out of a student private LL housing and a condition of the tenancy is that the oven is not to be cleaned with oven pride.A bonkers suggestion me thinks as its what I actually recommend to anyone who asks.


    But a rule is there for the making I suppose
    Originally posted by need an answer
    Sorry to derail the thread but is it possible that the property has a pyrolytic oven because you're not supposed to use cleaning products like Oven Pride with that type of oven? If it is a pyrolytic oven that should make cleaning it easier though.
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    • By need an answer 9th Jul 18, 10:36 AM
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    Sorry to derail the thread but is it possible that the property has a pyrolytic oven because you're not supposed to use cleaning products like Oven Pride with that type of oven? If it is a pyrolytic oven that should make cleaning it easier though.
    Originally posted by Pixie5740
    I did check this Pixie,because I wondered the same .but its a bulk standard howdens classic of the ilk fitted in most student letting!
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    • sal_III
    • By sal_III 9th Jul 18, 11:02 AM
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    I prefer nail/screw over the sticky stuff - the latter has a tendency to strip off layer(s) of paint, which is much harder to fix.

    So far I have mostly lived in properties with white latex walls. Fixing a hole in these is a breeze - fill the hole with some filler then apply some white tape corrector (the one for documents, 3-5 for a 1 in BM/Pundland etc.). Leaves no sign of a hole.

    For cleaning skid marks, there are special sponges you can buy from most supermarkets.
    • studentguy
    • By studentguy 9th Jul 18, 11:49 AM
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    What is it you want to hang on the walls? I didn't use screws, pins or nails to fix things on the walls of places I rented just because I couldn't be bothered dealing with the ballache it would cause when getting my deposit back at the end of the tenancy.
    Originally posted by Pixie5740
    Not OP, but I've got a proper mechanical cuckoo clock which weighs a ton and is worth several hundred pounds, so there are valid reasons for needing to screw things into walls.
    Despite my name, I'm not a student any more
    • need an answer
    • By need an answer 9th Jul 18, 11:58 AM
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    Not OP, but I've got a proper mechanical cuckoo clock which weighs a ton and is worth several hundred pounds, so there are valid reasons for needing to screw things into walls.
    Originally posted by studentguy

    I'm not convinced there is a valid reason you NEED a cuckoo clock hung on the wall. However I see your point of wanting it and as a LL providing you were to make good the wall with filling and painting that would suffice for me.

    Although I do specifically have a clause in one of my tenancy agreements not to put nails in a wall.As yet every tenant has complied(I know that because hit one of the 6 gas pipes behind the stud wall and youll know about it.)...so I would rather you didn't hang your clock there thank you.


    Wasn't there a thread a few months back about someone in a neighbouring property wanting to know what redress there would be for someone who had a noisy clock that struck the quarter hours all through the day.It was driving the new owner of the property to distraction


    Perhaps we have now found out who owned the clock!


    Personally the sound of a cuckoo clock next door would be just as bad as a wind chime but thats really sending the thread off on a tangent..
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    • HampshireH
    • By HampshireH 9th Jul 18, 5:56 PM
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    Complying with the tenancy agreement which states not to put up sticky fixings is not a breach of "quiet enjoyment" of a property. Especially when an alternative has been provided.

    Its in the signed agreement therefore it is courteous to request permission.

    If they refuse they could cite the signed TA which the tenant was presumably happy with when they signed it.
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