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    • Helpmelord
    • By Helpmelord 8th Jul 18, 1:30 PM
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    Variable Speed Limit Ticket - Help.
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    Variable Speed Limit Ticket - Help. 8th Jul 18 at 1:30 PM
    So I have to admit a very unfortunate event happened to me.

    Please note I passed my driving test 1 month ago. I was travelling on the M25 at 70 MPH, normal motorway speed) when I saw 2 flashes, (obviously a speed camera), I then noticed there were variable speed limits in place for 50 MPH, I did not see these overhead before, however I did notice one sign on stilts straight after. Of course I instantly had a panic attack. About 10 seconds later after the flash and after I saw the sign , I saw signs overhead for national 70 MPH again. The conditions of the roads were clear, without roadwords or traffic so I new the flash was for me.

    No I'm just wondering, this is considered a band B offence for 20 MPH over. However I find it so stupid to make the motorway 50 MPH for no legit reason. My questions are, will they give me any grace for this mistake? I'm wondering will I get 4,5, or 6 points? Or because I have never had another offence because I've only been driving for a month will they just give me a 7-28 day ban?

    Help. This sucks.
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 8th Jul 18, 1:44 PM
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    Driving at 70 on your speedo almost certainly means a few mph under 70. It's within the scope of a 3pt/100 fixed penalty, but probably too fast for a speed awareness course.


    As far as the variable limit goes, cameras do not start to enforce immediately on a limit change. If everything was fully functioning, then you clearly missed seeing the signs. The signage is not 50 "for no reason" - you simply didn't see the reason, perhaps because the reduced limit worked, or perhaps for the same reason you didn't see the signage...
    • debtdebt
    • By debtdebt 8th Jul 18, 1:44 PM
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    4-6 points or 7-28 day ban plus fine. Why would they give you any grace?
    • Helpmelord
    • By Helpmelord 8th Jul 18, 1:52 PM
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    I;m just wondering in this circumstance, because there was no clear signage, and because I have not had another offence and because no there was no circumstance or reason for 50 MPH variable (I have been reading and they sometimes give the ban if you have not been a threat to the road before)

    A ban would be ideal, 4 points would be bad but doable, but 6 points means a lost license within 2 years of driving.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 8th Jul 18, 2:01 PM
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    I;m just wondering in this circumstance, because there was no clear signage
    Originally posted by Helpmelord
    Yes, there was... Bloody great big illuminated signs over the carriageway. They're either NSL or a reduced limit. You admit you saw 50 after you saw the flash.



    and because no there was no circumstance or reason for 50 MPH variable
    That you saw. Not that there needs to be.
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    • By AndyMc..... 8th Jul 18, 2:35 PM
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    Yes, there was... Bloody great big illuminated signs over the carriageway. They're either NSL or a reduced limit. You admit you saw 50 after you saw the flash.




    That you saw. Not that there needs to be.
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    Or not illuminated at all if there are no speed reductions.
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    • Nodding Donkey
    • By Nodding Donkey 8th Jul 18, 2:49 PM
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    Have you actually got a ticket OP?
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 8th Jul 18, 3:12 PM
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    • 8th Jul 18, 3:12 PM
    4-6 points or 7-28 day ban plus fine. Why would they give you any grace?
    Originally posted by debtdebt
    OP will have to see what comes. If it's under 70, then it will be 3 points 100 fine and he will have to drive like Miss Daisy for just under 2 years to ensure he doesn't have his licence revoked and have to start again.

    Edited to add, as per CPS website, up to and including 75mph in a 50 limit is fixed penalty.

    https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic-offences-guidance-fixed-penalty-notices
    Last edited by Mercdriver; 08-07-2018 at 3:23 PM.
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 8th Jul 18, 3:26 PM
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    4-6 points or 7-28 day ban plus fine. Why would they give you any grace?
    Originally posted by debtdebt
    With respect, this is rubbish.

    If it was indeed a 50 limit, any speed up to 75 is going to mean a fixed penalty, 3 points and 100.
    • soolin
    • By soolin 8th Jul 18, 3:49 PM
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    I;m just wondering in this circumstance, because there was no clear signage, and because I have not had another offence and because no there was no circumstance or reason for 50 MPH variable (I have been reading and they sometimes give the ban if you have not been a threat to the road before)

    A ban would be ideal, 4 points would be bad but doable, but 6 points means a lost license within 2 years of driving.
    Originally posted by Helpmelord
    I've no idea where you have been reading but I suggest you stop immediately.

    There is no grace, no 'letting off' for good behaviour and frankly if you get a ticket within a month of passing your test it isn't looking good for your future at all.


    All you can do is wait to see what happens, assuming the car is registered in your name and the correct address is showing then you should hear within 14 days.


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    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 8th Jul 18, 3:55 PM
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    no there was no circumstance or reason for 50 MPH variable
    Originally posted by Helpmelord
    Even though you couldn't see any reason for the limit to be reduced, this doesn't mean that there wasn't a legitimate reason for it.
    There may well have been congestion or an accident ahead and the speed limit was reduced because of this.
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 8th Jul 18, 4:19 PM
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    The time to worry is when you receive the ticket. I came to the conclusion long ago that there's no point in worrying before.
    Whatever happens, take this as a warning. Take notice of what's going on around you. What signs there are. What other vehicles are doing.
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    • Helpmelord
    • By Helpmelord 8th Jul 18, 4:57 PM
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    Jackmydad, thanks for your response this has been helpful feedback I will for certain, wait eagerly. Just to ask one more question, if I do not receive anything within the 14 days notice, can I assume that the outcome is nothing?
    • Helpmelord
    • By Helpmelord 8th Jul 18, 4:59 PM
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    Even though you couldn't see any reason for the limit to be reduced, this doesn't mean that there wasn't a legitimate reason for it.
    There may well have been congestion or an accident ahead and the speed limit was reduced because of this.
    Originally posted by shaun from Africa
    Yes, that doesn't mean there was not a legitimate reason of course, However, I was driving for 20 minutes more and no congestion, or roadworks. Anyway, this does not help my cause, if the speed was set to 50
    • Helpmelord
    • By Helpmelord 8th Jul 18, 5:01 PM
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    With respect, this is rubbish.

    If it was indeed a 50 limit, any speed up to 75 is going to mean a fixed penalty, 3 points and 100.
    Originally posted by Car 54
    Thank you for your response. It is good to know - I was doing 70 MPH, so hopefully 3 points and 100 will be the final punishment
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 8th Jul 18, 5:27 PM
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    Yes, that doesn't mean there was not a legitimate reason of course, However, I was driving for 20 minutes more and no congestion, or roadworks. Anyway, this does not help my cause, if the speed was set to 50
    Originally posted by Helpmelord

    Once you've got a bit more driving experience you will find that restricted speed for no obvious reason is very common on our motorways, it's frustrating to all of us but unless you learn to observe and follow the posted limits you soon won't be driving at all.
    • unforeseen
    • By unforeseen 8th Jul 18, 5:48 PM
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    Yes, that doesn't mean there was not a legitimate reason of course, However, I was driving for 20 minutes more and no congestion, or roadworks. Anyway, this does not help my cause, if the speed was set to 50
    Originally posted by Helpmelord
    It could well be that slowing the traffic where you are will prevent a total standstill 5miles down the road
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 8th Jul 18, 6:30 PM
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    Jackmydad, thanks for your response this has been helpful feedback I will for certain, wait eagerly. Just to ask one more question, if I do not receive anything within the 14 days notice, can I assume that the outcome is nothing?
    Originally posted by Helpmelord

    The NIP must be served on the Registered Keeper within 14 days. If you are not the RK, it could take some weeks longer.
    • HornetSaver
    • By HornetSaver 8th Jul 18, 9:17 PM
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    Yes, there was... Bloody great big illuminated signs over the carriageway.
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    If they were I'd completely agree with you - and from what I know about the M25 (Dartford around to Maple Cross) I do agree with you - but not all variable signs are like that.

    In either Northamptonshire or Buckinghamshire on the M1 there are some extremely naughty variable speed limit signs which are left hand side only, and no I'm not confusing these for the advisory ones that come up in orange (which you can ignore, but ignoring these would be an aggravating factor should anything happen) these are proper variable speed limit signs. Should you happen to be overtaking a lorry or two you've had it. You really, really need a dashcam if you drive that stretch regularly.

    When it comes to roadworks in non-variable stretches of motorway, if I see cones and don't know the speed limit I assume it's 50 until able to satisfy myself otherwise.

    Getting back to the OP, to get a speed awareness course you'd need to have been going under 66mph. Which if your speedo said exactly 70mph you *might* just squeak under, though it's unlikely.
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 8th Jul 18, 9:22 PM
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    If they were I'd completely agree with you - and from what I know about the M25 (Dartford around to Maple Cross) I do agree with you
    Originally posted by HornetSaver
    The OP was on the M25.
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