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    • michaels
    • By michaels 6th Jul 18, 10:28 PM
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    Where do new/soon to be graduates look for jobs?
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    • 6th Jul 18, 10:28 PM
    Where do new/soon to be graduates look for jobs? 6th Jul 18 at 10:28 PM
    Where I work we used to contact uni careers service and would get 100 applications of which about a dozen might be suitable for interview, not we get 2 or 3. Salaries remain competitive. It is not a huge company who can rely on name recognition or a huge social media budget.

    So how to reach graduates and those soon to graduate in numerate subjects? Sadly it is too long since I was a student and my kids are not at that stage yet.
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    • tacpot12
    • By tacpot12 6th Jul 18, 11:39 PM
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    Not sure I know the answer to your question, but as far as I know graduates use the same job search sites as everyone else, and search for graduate positions. You could advertise on such sites, but I suspect you would be overwhelmed with applications, so you perhaps need to approach a recruitment agency that has experience of placing new graduates in jobs. There must be such agencies.

    Also, can the Uni careers service not tell you what sites/services they refer their graduates to?
    • Lokolo
    • By Lokolo 7th Jul 18, 10:09 PM
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    • 7th Jul 18, 10:09 PM
    Milkround was one I used (about 8 years ago now). However now there won't be many at all. Most start advertising to final year students around Sept-Nov.

    I had two job offers before Christmas in my final year.

    If people have left it to now to apply (and they've just graduated), then they're about 9 months too late, or not the right candidates.

    When do you advertise?
    Last edited by Lokolo; 07-07-2018 at 10:17 PM.
    • Owain Moneysaver
    • By Owain Moneysaver 7th Jul 18, 10:14 PM
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    • 7th Jul 18, 10:14 PM
    Are you contacting the right universities?

    No point restricting yourself to your local uni if they have a very weak presence in the subjects you want.

    Also look at student sites like studentroom and employment sites like glassdoor. Improving your visibility on those shouldn't be expensive.
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    • michaels
    • By michaels 7th Jul 18, 11:34 PM
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    • 7th Jul 18, 11:34 PM
    Thanks all for your comments. It is hard for us to stand out on milkround as we are a niche player in an industry with some much larger although less specialised employers but we typically look for 1 or 2 grads a year not hundreds and we just don't have the name recognition. As pointed out we are also ideally looking for people available now so won't get the career focused who sorted everything out before christmas.

    A lot of the courses/unis we traditionally recruited from now have very few uk nationals (which doesn't matter to us but does to our bigger customers) hence having to cast the net wider.
    Last edited by michaels; 07-07-2018 at 11:47 PM.
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    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 8th Jul 18, 8:29 AM
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    A lot of the courses/unis we traditionally recruited from now have very few uk nationals (which doesn't matter to us but does to our bigger customers) hence having to cast the net wider.
    Originally posted by michaels

    Why should your customers care what nationality your employees are? Do you have a lot of racist/xenophobic customers?
    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 8th Jul 18, 9:44 AM
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    • 8th Jul 18, 9:44 AM
    Thanks all for your comments. It is hard for us to stand out on milkround as we are a niche player in an industry with some much larger although less specialised employers but we typically look for 1 or 2 grads a year not hundreds and we just don't have the name recognition. As pointed out we are also ideally looking for people available now so won't get the career focused who sorted everything out before christmas.
    Originally posted by michaels
    You could be ideally placed to pick up graduates with one years experience, who picked the wrong job initially.
    • michaels
    • By michaels 8th Jul 18, 10:19 AM
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    Why should your customers care what nationality your employees are? Do you have a lot of racist/xenophobic customers?
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    Not at all, it is an administrative issue.
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    • michaels
    • By michaels 8th Jul 18, 10:21 AM
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    You could be ideally placed to pick up graduates with one years experience, who picked the wrong job initially.
    Originally posted by silvercar
    And that has happened in the past on several occasions but it is a matter of knowing where such people would look for a new job. It would be frowned upon if we poached those we came across whilst doing our job.
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    • A Nice Englishman
    • By A Nice Englishman 8th Jul 18, 2:18 PM
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    It has been said that a lot of jobs aren't advertised at all and recruitment is by word of mouth. Do your existing graduate employees keep in touch with those they studied with and hear about any looking for a new job? Do they spread the word about what a great place yours is to work in?
    • Lokolo
    • By Lokolo 8th Jul 18, 2:50 PM
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    Thanks all for your comments. It is hard for us to stand out on milkround as we are a niche player in an industry with some much larger although less specialised employers but we typically look for 1 or 2 grads a year not hundreds and we just don't have the name recognition. As pointed out we are also ideally looking for people available now so won't get the career focused who sorted everything out before christmas.

    A lot of the courses/unis we traditionally recruited from now have very few uk nationals (which doesn't matter to us but does to our bigger customers) hence having to cast the net wider.
    Originally posted by michaels
    What sort of job role is this?

    It's a shame the uni careers office are only producing a few candidate CVs. Are you quite picky with the universities that you are going to?

    I came from an ex-poly and was 1 of 3 IT candidates hired. They had a lot of applications (50 or so), and had 7 at the interview (meant to be 8). The next year they said they would only accept candidates from red brick / oxbridge type, they received only a handful of applications and actually didn't hire any of them. The students that go to these top universities will only be applying for top named companies, the HR department failed to see this.

    Another thing you could try is hiring for end of 1st/2nd year for a summer
    8 week placement. This may give you a wider pool as you can test the waters with these students so to speak. But if you are really small I guess it might be too expensive to do this.
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 8th Jul 18, 5:08 PM
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    Not at all, it is an administrative issue.
    Originally posted by michaels

    That makes no sense at all, administration is your company's issue, not your customers'.
    • michaels
    • By michaels 8th Jul 18, 9:56 PM
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    That makes no sense at all, administration is your company's issue, not your customers'.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    I wrote a longer reply describing the the situation then decided it probably wasn't appropriate for this forum.
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    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 8th Jul 18, 11:04 PM
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    And that has happened in the past on several occasions but it is a matter of knowing where such people would look for a new job. It would be frowned upon if we poached those we came across whilst doing our job.
    Originally posted by michaels
    It has been said that a lot of jobs aren't advertised at all and recruitment is by word of mouth. Do your existing graduate employees keep in touch with those they studied with and hear about any looking for a new job? Do they spread the word about what a great place yours is to work in?
    Originally posted by A Nice Englishman
    Given that I am geographically near you and DS2 has many friends who are recent graduates, some looking for work; feel free to give me be more descriptive of the sort of role you are looking to fill.
    • michaels
    • By michaels 8th Jul 18, 11:43 PM
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    Given that I am geographically near you and DS2 has many friends who are recent graduates, some looking for work; feel free to give me be more descriptive of the sort of role you are looking to fill.
    Originally posted by silvercar
    Thanks SC, I will send you a pm.


    In general we are looking for people with numerate degrees (includes things like sciences and even economics) to do analytical work. Unless you have a good maths A level (or 2) it is unlikely you would like the work although it is certainly not rocket science, people skills are more important than outright academic/technical ability.


    Do you know where your DS mates are looking for jobs?
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    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 9th Jul 18, 2:21 PM
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    My sons got their jobs from various sources

    One was recommended to a firm by a friend working there. The firm had a problem to solve and the friend recommended my son, although he was still at uni. He solved their problem and was offered freelance work while he was still at uni. He then joined the form full time when he graduated

    He was later head hunted to his current job by a colleague who had moved on to another firm and recommended him..

    The other got his first job by replying to an advert for someone to do some voluntary work for two weeks for a firm. He applied to get some experience and was asked to stay on when the temporary period was finished.

    He then registered with an agency and his current job came through that.

    My DIL has got her jobs through agencies.
    • Owain Moneysaver
    • By Owain Moneysaver 9th Jul 18, 8:11 PM
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    That makes no sense at all, administration is your company's issue, not your customers'.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    I'm assuming the OP is possibly in a sector where clients require all suppliers' employees to be security vetted or similar?
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    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 9th Jul 18, 10:45 PM
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    You may be caught out by the season.If you advertised anytime after Easter, final year students are more concerned with their final exams than job applications.

    Very organised students will be applying for jobs Sept/ Oct at the start of their final year, this continues until February time (in fact for lesser known companies Sept/ Oct would be too early as the eager beavers will be applying to big names and the rest of the students wouldn't be looking. You may have better luck re-advertising in a months time.

    Does the role you have come with training and promotion opportunities? The main reason DS2 is moving is because he was recruited for a graduate role and has not been provided with any personal development training and promotion opportunities are limited.
    • michaels
    • By michaels 10th Jul 18, 2:35 PM
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    You may be caught out by the season.If you advertised anytime after Easter, final year students are more concerned with their final exams than job applications.

    Very organised students will be applying for jobs Sept/ Oct at the start of their final year, this continues until February time (in fact for lesser known companies Sept/ Oct would be too early as the eager beavers will be applying to big names and the rest of the students wouldn't be looking. You may have better luck re-advertising in a months time.

    Does the role you have come with training and promotion opportunities? The main reason DS2 is moving is because he was recruited for a graduate role and has not been provided with any personal development training and promotion opportunities are limited.
    Originally posted by silvercar
    There is structured training and as much responsibility and promotion chances as you want right up to one grad employee now bei g a director. There is also a big mix of opportunities with some big desirable employers who are not as ethical as we are when it comes to not poaching our staff although many who have left have eventually ended up back with us, not sure what that means.
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    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 11th Jul 18, 6:56 PM
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    There is structured training and as much responsibility and promotion chances as you want right up to one grad employee now bei g a director. There is also a big mix of opportunities with some big desirable employers who are not as ethical as we are when it comes to not poaching our staff although many who have left have eventually ended up back with us, not sure what that means.
    Originally posted by michaels
    So it suggests that its maybe the wrong time of year to be recruiting or your not advertising has in the right places. I assume you've benchmarked the salary/ benefits package?
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